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sup folks welcome to episode
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this number
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of the
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my cigar pack podcast i'm your host mac
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and this is my guest
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alex
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we're here to light up some smokes what
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are you smoking i'm smoking
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rodriguez
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you mean
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you're gonna try to first
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meticulously cut that cap and two
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spend like 28 minutes lighting that
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cigar
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proceed to smoke like a centimeter off
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of it
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wrap it up and then be like
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oh this is what i'm smoking now what now
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yeah you know what i'm gonna time you
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then
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okay
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you know i like to take it easy because
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uh
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some cigars they hit me with quite some
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weight including the tiger too and
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i'm not saying it's a punchy cigar that
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hits you hard it doesn't
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but it hits you all at once like all the
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strength it's got it gives it to you
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right away it doesn't build up slowly
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that's a great segue into the topic
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of our
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secondary
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option for today because we had a
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fantastic topic
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didn't write it down
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literally been solving things going back
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and forth with different ideas and
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projects and things that we're gonna do
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we both forgot we've been breaking our
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heads around
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the idea or notion that we
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kind of came up with casually in a
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conversation
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and then
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you know we kind of
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flowed into the fact that i was
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on my second tiger for the day which by
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the way i don't smoke enough off because
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i've been i hadn't i haven't been
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smoking tigers every day i should be
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smoking tigers every single day they're
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part of my daily rotation i'll run out
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if i do that
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no you won't we have we have quite a few
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we probably have like 100 here left like
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at least in dr we've got a hundred left
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like for personal use so we're good for
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now
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um that should be at least you know
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three four months
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but you know
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transitioning from
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that great topic to me smoking a
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secondary tiger you're like wow
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even though that cigar is not that
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strong
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like that wind that's gonna disable you
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from lighting your cigar in like 10
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minutes it's shined
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it is like the strength picks up real
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quick and
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i think it's interesting because i don't
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see it necessarily that i don't really
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see it that way i i kind of see i kind
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of see the nicotine level kind of see
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the strength level based on
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the overall experience based on how i'm
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feeling from you know the moment i
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started
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towards you know the last couple of
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puffs in the cigar so you can't really
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say how strong a cigar is until you're
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done with it well yes one because
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you know the cigars are usually designed
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to
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go through changes one
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two
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you have to see if there is a actual an
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actual consistent pattern
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from you know that cigar being
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you know linearly strength to you
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or linearly strong to you in a way and
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then you know the bouquets and
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and nuances opening up in different ways
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and three
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dude
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for me personally
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most
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strength
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i perceive in the first
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hey you know i hate using this for the
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first third
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the first first few um
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first few minutes of the cigar are
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we're gonna exponentially ramp up faster
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than anything else because your your
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senses aren't used
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to that combination of tobaccos right so
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you lit up you're retrohaling you're
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bringing it to your mouth
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you're keeping that smoke for a little
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bit you're trying to find and perceive
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these flavors but at the same time
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i mean i'm on my second one so i kind of
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used i got used to it but unless you
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just smoked a cigar or you've been
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smoking
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your palate's not going to be
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you know as used to these
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new flavors or new
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strike levels at the moment so
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yeah it makes sense that it ramps up a
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little faster
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um so
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that's my take but
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i want to understand how you perceive
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that lineality and the strength ramping
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up
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in this cigar
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okay
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it might sound like i'm selling it
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trust me i'm not this is my best
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description of what it's like but the
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damn tiger takes me for a ride bro it
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just does
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it just does it it grabs my scruff of
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the neck it says keep coming with me
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and uh
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and uh i get plunged right into it it
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doesn't
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start
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let's move the microphone
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it doesn't start it doesn't start and
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evolve
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into
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well the body of it doesn't evolve into
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shape
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it just
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bam four legs and a tail and a big head
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of a tiger roar and it roars in my face
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it just
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gosh i
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i'm selling it but
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uh what i'm trying to say is
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no no keep keep please keep it going
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martin scorsese is listening to this
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pasta pasta
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straight up uh the tiger first time i
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had it
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you weren't there i was with ostos
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i
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was surprised by i went into it with
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light breakfast in my stomach and i knew
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that if i kept puffing on it
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i was gonna you know start calling what
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calling juan and uh puking
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because i'm a lightweight like i can't
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help it did you have like pineapple i
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had fruit yeah for breakfast not
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pineapple uh
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probably le chawsa
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lechosa's a badass fruit bro
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dude i i think it's not uh
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it's not conducive to have just like you
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know a couple fruits and then
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head over to the uh
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to the factory actually you know what
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i'm gonna pick this up real quick
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it could be simple
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is um
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no no it's got a name dude it's an
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orange fruit with green little seeds
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good name i know it's not papaya it's
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like uh it's just good stuff it's this
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good good i actually don't like my
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chocolate i love it it's it's got a a
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creamy texture and a lot of sweet flavor
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and it's a honey sweetness not a sugar
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sweetness
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and honey sweetness is kind of rare in
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fruit
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you know usually fruit has fruity
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sweetness
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anyway
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um
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i i don't know what's up with this guy
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today
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i don't know what's up with this guy
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honestly
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but uh yeah let's act like uh that
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didn't just happen and and move on you
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know what you know what's going on with
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this only caterer of you know
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light very light and mild connecticut
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for this guy no no i actually don't like
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connecticut more than uh your albanos
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because of you get a little more bitter
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flavor from connecticut and i like
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sweeter more doughy flavors
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uh but anyway
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you know what's gotten into me this
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morning
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i wonder if the keys in the rodriguez
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logo
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are there for key west yeah they
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probably are
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comment below
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if you ask danny and he gives you a
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response
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what's that response we're not even
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asking we're not asking him so we want
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you to ask him and let us know
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um well if you're watching on youtube or
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just comment wherever you were there why
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didn't why didn't you ask him because i
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wanted our viewers to ask him you
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thought this far ahead way further than
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this actually you know what come up with
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something else i'm going to tell you
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that i can't i thought about it as well
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yeah
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uh
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oh [ __ ] i'd kick my tablet
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so um
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yeah is that is that your final answer
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to
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how that strength ramps up
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no visual depiction of there's more to
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it than the fierce tiger there's more to
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it okay
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not on the tiger but in general okay i
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think there's there's two ways to to
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sort of weigh in strength of a cigar
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and we've touched up on it it's not just
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how heavy the strength is how weighty it
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is
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but also how fast it hits you
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there are some cigars that are really
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strong
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like uh doble hero by la flor dominicana
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but that strength just comes in so
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slowly i have those for breakfast you do
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i don't i have them for lunch
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that strength just comes in uber slow
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and and when you're done with it you
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feel the
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buzz
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from the nicotine sure
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but it doesn't
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it doesn't take you for a ride it's it's
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a much more relaxing smoke
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the tiger is an adventure of a smoke
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uh to put it nicely uh and bluntly
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god that doesn't sound good no it
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doesn't but i guess
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people who
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have
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completely opposite spectrums in their
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analytical
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um
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you know that means some people want
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their cigars to take him for a ride and
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i
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there's a moment for that for me yeah
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but i'm not going to lie
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the tiger surprised me like that
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and maybe that's a good thing dude
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that's fair that's completely fair and
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i think it's important to to
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you know to kind of depict how how this
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cigar performs with these double
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wrappers and good and the body how how
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the cigars designed
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and i think it's the perfect
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not to sell the cigar really but to sell
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cigars that are built and constructed
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and blended this way you know allowing
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you know
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mild milder smokers to enjoy it because
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they don't bring it so much
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you know to their nose um either
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beginners or you know this is a
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this is very uh stereotypical but a lot
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of mild smokers mild months like our
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smokers don't really retro how much and
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that's where you're really finding that
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strength you're actually finding
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everything but that's where you find
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that nicotine conduct high nicotine
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content that's going to buzz you and
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then
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inversely
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more
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one-season smokers and two
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uh people who like stronger cigars
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who genuinely do so because there's
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people there's individuals who say oh i
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like strong cigars i haven't seen you
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retro once so you have no perception
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of that of that cigar strength that's
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right that's a very mild
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i don't mind i i honestly i was gonna i
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was gonna transition into saying that i
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do not trust
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and if i inspire people to do the same
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well so be i don't trust people who work
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in the cigar industry
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there's even there's manufacturers i'm
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not going to point out we i know a few
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good friends they won't retro yeah dude
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you're getting
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less than half of the experience
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actually getting a fraction of the
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experience it's like saying it's like
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the water is great when your ankle deep
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dude
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that's a good point but it's like you're
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not really getting the strength
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i mean if the the smoke is very peppery
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it's very spicy
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you your mouth can very well confuse
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that with strength
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if you're not bringing it up to your
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nose yeah so that's how i was gonna say
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i don't care if i sound snobby i'm i'm
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very
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um you know firm with my belief that
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cigars are meant to be retroed in in
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order to be discovered now the fact that
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you don't retro or you don't like to
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retro doesn't mean you can't enjoy
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cigars now you can't say
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can't
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appropriately judge
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the cigars with the flavors that it they
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were meant out to be or designed to be
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and most importantly the strength and
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strength isn't the flavor
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correct
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strong flavors mean full body that
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that's that's what body means strong
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flavors correct uh
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strength is what you feel in your head
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uh
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wow
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basically
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when
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body means extends to the the density of
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the smoke the the the
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the
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the this openness and the spectrum of
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flavors
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the um
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you know the weight on the flavors the
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intensity on the flavors it's got a full
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body means it's got a full
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uh composition of flavors it can have a
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dense smoke it can have very punctual
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notes
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very um
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very highlighted notes we talk about
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strength you're talking about nicotine
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content you're talking about oils
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um that translate into that
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uh nicotine content in the cigar that's
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um
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yeah that's a great great observation
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there man uh
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now that we're touching but again that's
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like
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when people say things without really
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retroing it i'm like okay that's good
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that's like now let me see you retro
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that's like your opinion man that's like
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your opinion man sure uh it is and
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people are entitled to their opinions
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absolutely and that doesn't mean
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because you're entitled to your opinion
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doesn't mean that you could
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back it up a little bit more by trying
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to retro that's that's why it's
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important to retro and
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when you're giving your opinion when
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you're uh
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dude i always i always put a prime
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example
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i i started i started smoking cigars at
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an early age
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because of a pattern that i saw in
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older people that i knew
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and there's one of those individuals
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that i've always smoked cigars with
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which is my dad
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my dad used to retro cigars he doesn't
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enjoy retro anymore and he absolutely
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enjoys the cigars he smokes
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pretty much daily
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multiple cigars
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now when we smoke the cigars he gets a
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completely different experience
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when he tells me he's getting these
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flavors i'm usually getting
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either the opposite or a lot more than
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what he's getting
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so i know how to approach certain cigars
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how i enjoy them and how he probably
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would enjoy them differently just
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because he doesn't like whole retro
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he'll take like one or two puffs
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initially and retro and then not retro
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the whole smoke
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you know which is totally fine as well
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okay let's get into it how do you retro
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when it's hard for you to tolerate a
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retro
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soft retro which means you bring in
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about
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let's say
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you got your palette your mouth full of
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smoke you let out like 80 percent of it
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that's how i started retro and that's
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how i retro most of the time i only i
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only uh have like
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four to five heavy retros and a smoke i
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read you're pretty much every puff but
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yeah i i soft retro pretty much every
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other puff
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i i like soft retros more than hard
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retrospective retro is that a new term
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yeah we just coined that let's do it
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explain that
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soft retro yeah if you can't hard retro
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go soft
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there's no shame in that and there's no
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shame in not rethrowing either just
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you can technically go soft and go home
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yeah
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uh yeah but you got to do it more often
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to get the full experience that's a fact
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now i will say this let me get a little
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something out of this again
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weird silence mode
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and then you let go a little bit oh yeah
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that soft retro was so delicious is that
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do you think that that silence is gonna
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be awkward for our um like audio
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listeners no it's actually gonna help
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with the immersion
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think about it
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yeah
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like and that that smoke coming out we
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all heard it
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silence builds tension
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so
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ah man
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other than uh
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like you you're allowed to not like a
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cigar for having too much strength dude
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you're allowed if you pay for it you're
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allowed to yeah you will you're allowed
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to do whatever you want thank you
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it is kind of kind of our job
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to try to
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be a mediator between
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you know all these sources of
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information and
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you know
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everybody's uh
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yeah you're using a torch that's really
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weird but oh shout out my boy
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sean ryan from the international cigar
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society up
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neighbors
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oh
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i sketched it
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sean ryan sent me this and i told him
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i'm gonna i'm gonna be smoking
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with that torch
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throughout the whole dr trip
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international cigar society man
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on uh
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and a couple of the manufacturers
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experienced both and uh yeah nova scotia
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yeah yeah
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i know that was uh that was a good good
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memory man know the guy
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shout out shout out my man shout out
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everybody i actually was um a guest in
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their
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really fun
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um hangout and we did not pipe we did a
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podcast episode
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or
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we were doing podcast episodes it was it
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wasn't technically a podcast episode it
18:21
was a an event with with the group which
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was really fun man we got a lot of
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questions in it was really cool
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sean if you're listening to this i i
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would love to be back
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kind of inviting myself in there again
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so it'd be cool and i i've never been to
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canada
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but i've always wondered what it's like
18:37
to have six months of winter and six
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months of summer
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you mean eight and four
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eight and a half and three and a half
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yeah like more like it what is it most
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of canada has at least six months of
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winter at least yeah
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i've always wondered what that's like
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being here where we where we really only
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have humid and dry season and he's a
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little more
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in west coast west didn't it northwest
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than you know like toronto and yeah so
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those have probably like yeah half and
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half split but
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nova scotia is a little
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sean's chugging
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whiskey bottles yeah
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he's like oh that's how i keep warm
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it's hilarious get it
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you know you know here's something
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really funny it's how it's how uh
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here in the dr by drinking beer is how
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we keep cool
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cold beer exactly
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exactly
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everyone everyone uses drinking to
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yeah that's it i remember when i started
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trying beers in the u.s it's like this
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is so warm this is like a soup right now
19:43
because we were used to drinking yes
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pilsner style beers
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super cold really light bodied really
19:50
cold beers i have prince and this is
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actually not that light but
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okay give me excuse me let me excuse me
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these bud lights and these the oh yeah
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these are water they're just this water
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like i'm cool with it okay the millers
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the buds the i don't drink those
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mick gloves i like all that but that's
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water i don't drink
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breast is actually not light it's
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pilsner it's a it's light type yes but
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compared to lighter than like an ipa
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for a lager which pilsners are lockers
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yeah i don't care what anyone says yeah
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i agree uh
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it is
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on the lighter side
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that is highly debatable okay then uh
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let's leave it for another episode or
20:33
something
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dude that's our cue we should wrap up
20:36
all right i got a call in five minutes
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that you should be a part of i bet that
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everyone on board has learned something
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and uh now they've got some knowledge
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they can pick on their friends with or
20:46
get picked on or avoid getting picked on
20:49
i don't know where i'm going with this
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this is
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wrapping up episode number this number
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and uh later guys
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