In a friendly discussion, Alex and MAC go back to the cigars of yesteryear that have been forgotten despite being great, on-demand, and highly coveted. This came about as MAC himself went back to Blood Diamond, a movie he believes to have been a forgotten great, and of course, brought the question into the cigar world. If you're interested in trying the first Tiger, predecessor to the cigar both hosts are enjoying in this episode, check out https://cigaryard.com/product/el-mysterious-tiger-2/
In a friendly discussion, Alex and MAC go back to the cigars of yesteryear that have been forgotten despite being great, on-demand, and highly coveted. This came about as MAC himself went back to Blood Diamond, a movie he believes to have been a forgotten great, and of course, brought the question into the cigar world. If you're interested in trying the first Tiger, predecessor to the cigar both hosts are enjoying in this episode, check out https://cigaryard.com/product/el-mysterious-tiger-2/
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thank you for joining us for episode
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10 the first of 2022. for this one we go
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into the past and look at those cigars
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that were amazing back then
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but seem to have been forgotten by now
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and if you pick them up now they'd
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probably still be just as good kind of
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like blood diamond the movie stay tuned
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as far as uh
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as far as the camera is concerned we've
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already started okay i like it all right
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episode 10
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2022.
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episode 10 is episode 1 of 2022. that's
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right i don't want to confuse people
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though 2 0 2 2
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8
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10
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1 of
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whatever
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it's uh start of a new year and we're
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gonna start off with a new cigar
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absolutely i'm i was smoking a cigar
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that i know is gonna come in
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pretty handy
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with today's topic that you just
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actually brought up
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um spontaneously and i'm not being
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sarcastic here
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love love how that just uh it took a
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minute to get to the point but you got
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it yeah yeah yeah
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so i'm using my trusty nails you use
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your trusty knife i already used the
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thing i'm just giving it a light i
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dropped the lighter so now it's a bad
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fire
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it's it's a softer lighter it's bad at
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fire now
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no it starts uh it starts with a big
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flame then it turns small
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so it just takes a lot longer to light
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it but that's okay because it just gives
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me a lot more intimate time with this
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here
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cigar
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as long as you keep talking that's fine
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because i'm
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actually using matches it's going to
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take a little bit
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even even longer than you are comment
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section watch out exactly here we go
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haters
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no i think they love it they love it if
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look at it this way if if we didn't have
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them talking about this
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they wouldn't comment
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and we appreciate the comments so
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the two we get are
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phenomenal two per episode ah
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who knew huh who knew we get this far i
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know
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dude we're back
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this is this uh first episode in like
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four or five episodes since we're
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shooting in my backyard
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the last one we shot here
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was back in november
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so that must have been about
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six episode six
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no episode six you were in dc episode
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four the cubans
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yep that is true episode that's just the
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beginning
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so if you didn't watch episode four
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we smoked some 20 and 30 year old cubans
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respectively
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and uh it was a good time those were uh
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it was quite an interesting smoking
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experience because
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you know when the cigars age that much
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there's more to talk about than just the
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tobacco in them so
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we did that yep and it was a good time
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but this time we're talking about
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cigars that are classics
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yep
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and
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let's just say they are
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hidden among the bigger classics but
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these are just as good
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and you brought one up earlier at least
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in my work when i was editing a video
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you shot
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the vega magna by
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casa magna actually well the sister
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brand of vega magna
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and i'm pretty sure you're referring to
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casa magna because it won
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2008's number one cigar of the year by
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sega aficionado with 93 points but it
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wasn't made at casala so yeah that is
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true
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that is true so i wanted to go with the
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vega magna because the
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that one is a little less appreciated
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than the casa magna because i remember
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casa magna cigar of the year absolutely
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but
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what did vega magana achieve it was
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probably something equally great but
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it's overshadowed by casa magnet it was
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a great rating but it wasn't number one
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by sega
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and that's that's a it's a great topic
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for another day it's
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just how
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polarizing
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and how
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effect how
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much of an effect does
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a particular rating from
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you know x person versus why
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get you
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um you know out in the market sales-wise
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yeah
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who really makes a difference for
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what interest
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you know i love them all though i love i
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agree because i i think every
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each and every one of them
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even though for some reason they're at
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the same time of the year
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they're usually
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most of them are either
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10 or 25 huh like who set the standard
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for this well just like we talked about
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the thirds who set the standard for that
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i think it's just one of those things
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that
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intuitively came to be and we did talk
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about that also
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how
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things intuitively come to be but in the
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case of the ratings uh rating season we
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definitely have to think the next
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episode
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or next after the next
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we should uh
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get together live and watch
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the ratings
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uh
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one by one
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and
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as the number one is revealed we're live
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okay because there's a timer let's do it
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let's do that i love it that's a great
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idea
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so i think the people uh the three of
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you this time
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take it from me three guys commenting
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this time that's a that's a bold that's
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a bold aspiration oh yeah and oh and
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this this cigars both
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this one it's uh i was just gonna say
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that it it
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thankfully it has one or two more months
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of uh aging to do i don't think it's
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gonna make any difference in in terms of
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uh the boldness
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but uh it's definitely gonna settle down
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a little more it's just been
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slapped
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yeah it's this this already you know
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this probably has like 10 months nine or
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ten months of age
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well i picked uh i picked it up from you
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know who yeah you know when yeah
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and he told me something similar
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but a little fresher
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because there was a there was a batch
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these are not from the first batch okay
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so they're probably half the age maybe a
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little less yeah that that's uh that
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could be it they just need a little bit
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more
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time letting go of some of those uh
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harsher elements in tobacco that's why
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we ate cigars folks i don't feel
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anything harsh though that that's that's
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great but you know that is uh that is a
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fantastic point
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and uh we're talking about tigers 2.0
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yep yep it's bold yeah tigers 2.0 it's
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uh
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double the two-tone
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yeah tigers turn brown
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tigers
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it's a tiger spread it's a tiger stripe
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we showed these off a while back before
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they were even
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um you know put into production they
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were they were
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um
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pictured as as a prototype actually it's
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actually one of the reels
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with most views in my cigar packs really
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it's gotta it's gotta be close to a
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hundred thousand views and reels it's
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crazy
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we don't get a fraction of that anymore
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it's it's insane
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well i guess we need to give the people
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more uh more what they want yeah for
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sure
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they're common
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oh yeah and uh well
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who's making these
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i know but
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let's uh let's leave it for the
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undisclosed for the release in a couple
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months sorry you three uh yeah sorry uh
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you'll find out when you find out so and
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if you don't find out
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uh it's for the better question mark
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maybe it's one of those uh little
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mysticisms of the industry which uh
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we enjoy a bunch of people still don't
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know who makes
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the original tigers so that's ventura
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yeah but a lot of people don't know and
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they buy the cigar they have no idea but
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we there's a video embedded on the on
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the product page yeah so it's like we're
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doing our part and there's a really
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nicely done vettelina yep with all the
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with all the datum
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including who made it yep so it so you
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know these guys don't read their manuals
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when they uh when they get their new
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lawn mowers and they're such
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that's that's me right there dude
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i used to be like that but
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here's an interesting experiment i read
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about you know no no i read a lot more
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uh
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product material than i used to okay
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because you know about what you just
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bought so think of it this way there's
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this there's this experiment done by
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some academic somewhere i forgot where i
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wish i could quote it i'll definitely
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find the research piece and put in the
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description but what they had is three
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groups of young men do
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free throws in a basketball court okay
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but before that they had each of them
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trained in a different way
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one group
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got to practice the day before
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physically at the court
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with the same balls and hoop
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a second group got to see that and think
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about it and write about it read about
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it read about free throw techniques and
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all that just study it academically
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they probably uh researched the um
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what was it was it jerry west that uh
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had the um the under uh underhand throw
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maybe i don't i i i'll be honest i
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glanced over the results yeah i read i
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read the the
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uh
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the initial the the summary of the
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research and then i went to the results
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and that was incredible and the third
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group they did nothing they just showed
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up and
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shot and gave it their best and shot
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their shot well group number one
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had uh
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25 points
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out of 25
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i think something like that it was 25 a
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perfect score a perfect score they had
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pretty much a perfect score wow
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group number two was jordan shooting
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i don't know that's gotta be like jordan
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kobe and and curry look free throws well
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they had the highest score okay they had
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a score of 25. i don't remember out of
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how many actually i'm lying but it was a
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score of 25. okay
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guess what group two got the ones who
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studied academically but got no hands-on
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time half
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no
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24 just one point off really yeah just
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one point off
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and the guys who didn't do anything were
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really kind of athletic guys though
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well
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think about it this way
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they knew exactly what they had to do
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even though they hadn't practiced okay
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so that's why you the whole point is
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read your manual guys
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that's what we were going for by the
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third group they did poorly yeah
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they they just opened the thing and
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started using it uh however they know
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how to use it so
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and you know about this i recently got a
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neat little speed editor for the editing
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software i use so cool it's really cool
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right but i posted this on my instagram
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and one of my friends says but isn't
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that for a certain part of the editing
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process and i'm like yes it is
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but you should use that and he's like no
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i i don't need to i already do
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for those of you who know resolve you
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know there's a cutting page and a
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timeline page he says i don't use the
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cutting page i'm like okay then why are
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you using a wrench to nail down a nail
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um
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he's like what yeah basically because
11:44
the cut page is really efficient at
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setting down the foundation of your
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video
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and this speed editor makes it so fast
11:52
it makes it so much easier and faster
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and lets you do more uh so i asked him
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that he's like because i i never figured
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it out i never learned it
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read the manual there you go if you read
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the manual
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you'll realize that you're going to get
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about 20 to 30 percent faster timeline
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setting the first step of a video is you
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set down your timeline yeah maybe even
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uh some money back and maybe all time is
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money so you're saving time and
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definitely some money and
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uh yeah
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he basically said all right i'll give it
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another go i said dude just do it
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you're just you're gonna thank me later
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and while you're at it read the manual
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gosh when i was when i was in the
12:35
paintball
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all these guys who had gun issues would
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be like how do you know so much about
12:40
guns
12:41
i don't whenever you give me your gun
12:44
when it isn't working all i do is read
12:45
the manual and figure out how it's
12:47
supposed to work
12:49
versus what yours is doing
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the madman
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the madman
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the madman needs to get back on uh
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on the attack
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because
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i haven't been to the paintball field
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i haven't played paintball in a while
13:05
they haven't it's been over you are
13:07
yearning for some balls
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for some paintballs
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some guppy paint
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comes from a big set of balls
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all right listen up uh yeah we're
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talking about you people we're gonna
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we're gonna
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switch into the uh
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it take you you came in here and said
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hey we we gotta talk about
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blood diamond yep was that it
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myself i did start off with blood
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and really hot take but you know what
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love that movie great movie
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straight up got here asked you
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wasn't blood diamond a great movie i was
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it was a fantastic movie but then again
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you sort of forgot about how good it was
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because it was also
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released it came out
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around the same time as other great
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movies you know i like to be a little
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bit controversial and maybe a little
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argumentative at times
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so
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when you bring stuff like that i'm gonna
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try to at least you know i'm going to be
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you know
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i'm going to bring
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some empathy i'm going to be a little
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empathetic and try to understand where
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you're coming from but at the same time
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i'm going to be a little argumentative
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and i'm going to tell you
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yeah kind of you did yeah kind of you
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know it it's not like you brought it up
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and as soon as you brought it up i i had
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a a
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you know glimmering shot of
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dicaprio just like running
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and just like all full of dirt in his
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face like vivid memories
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maybe i haven't re-watched it in the
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last couple of years
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um
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but so
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so didn't i with like the godfather or
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scarface for 10 years still one of the
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both couple of great movies um it's not
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like
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super bad that i watch once every six
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months you know it's a different type of
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movie that you go back and forth to um
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so that you go back to actually
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so i'm gonna go ahead and say yes you
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have a point i wanna see where you're
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gonna take this and i think it's gonna
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be today's the perfect scenario for you
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to bring this up because how you're
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gonna transition and how are you going
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to lick that into with cigars
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i'm going to have a perfect
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argumentative okay but yet a little bit
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empathetic response to what you bring so
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i'll let you run with it and then we'll
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see what we're talking about
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archetypes you're the wise old man
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uh but uh so blood diamond great movie
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yeah but it came out in a time period
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where a lot of great movies were coming
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out so what we we think about let's say
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2000's classics was it oh five or s or
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oh six it was in the 2000
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in the 2000's okay and uh it came out in
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the same decade let's trim it down to
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2000 to 2010. it was
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yeah that's the 2000s the
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before the 2010s okay exactly yeah
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that's because we're still in the 2000s
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we're in the 2020s it's by decade yeah
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let's do it by decade 2000 2010 the zero
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zero what am i gonna say yeah 2000 to
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2010 let's do that yeah so
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blood diamond
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isn't
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remembered as fondly as other classics
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of that era like let's say the hurt
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locker
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i think people still i've heard my
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brother talk about that movie still uh
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even over actually
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by uh
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fracture
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ryan gosling and uh
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hannah ball uh guy
17:04
hannibal was from the 2000s right no it
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was way older
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there was a return yeah the return was
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probably like uh
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98.99 maybe a little later there's too
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many great movies i mean too many great
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oh american psycho one of my favorite
17:17
movies of all time
17:19
uh probably like 2001. for empathetic
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reasons i bet
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yeah exactly for empathetic weeds i'm
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kidding um uh but okay but yeah what the
17:28
point is i think
17:30
there are cigars like that yeah but
17:32
before we transition into cigars i think
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that
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maybe
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a reason that
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you know people don't go back as much to
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to that movie as they should and maybe
17:46
you perceive it as an as an underdog
17:50
doesn't necessarily translate to what
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we may try to look at it with cigars
17:54
because
17:56
because of the background right because
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of the background of the movie it's it's
17:59
based on a very
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sad
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um
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tragic
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civil war in uh
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sierra leone
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so
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you know it's kind of it's very it's
18:12
very it's very it's very grim very grim
18:14
it's very graphic you know
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the fact that you know the oppression
18:19
went so far as to chop off people's
18:21
hands you know as to to send a sign not
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to vote that's kind of very grim and
18:26
bloody and graphic and tragic kind of
18:28
depressing in a way it's still a great
18:30
movie but that may not be the
18:33
friday night kind of vibe you want it
18:35
doesn't make you happy to watch it like
18:37
you have to watch but then
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you mentioned you know when i asked you
18:42
so how does that relate to cigars you're
18:43
like well what about the casa magnas and
18:46
other cigars like name a few cigars that
18:49
you
18:50
maybe don't really go back too much as
18:54
i guess
18:57
i guess you could say dig into
18:58
retroactively because i don't go back to
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him because i wasn't smoking cigars uh
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back in those days i was a bit uh
19:05
a bit young yeah but still there most of
19:07
them
19:08
or maybe not most of them a lot of them
19:10
that were around 50 years ago
19:12
or maybe don't
19:14
re don't necessarily link the cigars
19:16
that were around in that exact time but
19:19
maybe when you started smoking
19:21
or maybe let's just say five years ago
19:24
versus now yeah so that's the point like
19:26
that are still in the market i think
19:28
cigars are a lot i was thinking cigars
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are a lot like movies a lot of people
19:31
are really into what's going on now and
19:34
they remember the classics
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after that what happens to the ones that
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weren't those on the very top i think
19:43
there's there's a few that have certain
19:45
reasons and when you ask me
19:47
i immediately thought of
19:50
a couple
19:51
go for it
19:53
about this thing so well one i think one
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is is amazing that you asked me because
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i've been smoking that cigar
19:59
for the last two days
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and when you got here and you asked me
20:04
the question i had one in my mouth
20:06
that's so big on mine no this is a
20:09
padron
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series right
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and the padron classic series is one of
20:14
the most affordable offerings that the
20:16
drone has the
20:18
these cigars range from anywhere from
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like six to eight bucks dare i say the
20:22
only actually affordable ones the only
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sub ten dollar cigar per drone that
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you're gonna find is probably the
20:28
classic series so
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um
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i i used to smoke a lot of these cigars
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and
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you know even though they're not as
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here's the thing
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you're going to grab a
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1945 or 60th anniversary or whatever
20:47
from the drone twenty five dollar stick
20:48
thirty dollar cigar steak no no no steak
20:52
cigar chocolate bar chocolate bar you
20:54
could grab it
20:55
and here's the here's one of the most
20:58
interesting phenoms to me
21:00
it is one of the ugliest
21:02
looking toothiest looking rappers that
21:05
you'll see
21:06
yet as soon as you slide them up
21:09
it's a bit visually aesthetically the
21:12
drones are not the great cigars and i'm
21:13
not taking a shot at drone love for
21:16
drones one of the most
21:18
respected brands out there i have all my
21:20
respect and admiration i've actually
21:22
found them to light up quite nicely they
21:24
do but when you look at the rapper if
21:26
you didn't know they were padrone they
21:28
don't necessarily lure you in they have
21:31
no
21:31
um no natural sheen to them they have
21:35
they have this look like like you know
21:37
like these these dark maduros look like
21:38
they they were painted and they're like
21:41
very
21:42
grimy looking in a way but they're
21:44
definitely not painted no absolutely not
21:47
that's what i'm saying we know that
21:48
there are cigars and that's a great
21:49
subject for for another yeah oh that are
21:51
painted
21:53
and this may sound funny the cigars are
21:55
painted yeah but whether people know it
21:57
or not that really uh dark san andreas
21:59
you really like you love how it's it's
22:01
sheen and it's color yeah that's not
22:04
natural
22:05
uh well it's natural but not to the leaf
22:08
itself a lot of cigars are painted just
22:10
to lure you in
22:12
so yeah and they actually taste better
22:14
before painting absolutely i mean you
22:16
generalized but a lot that do that do
22:19
look like that have have a treatment
22:22
uh but yeah we'll get into that a little
22:24
later i've been drifting a little a
22:26
little away from what i was trying to
22:28
say and that yes
22:29
you know
22:30
you look at these two cigars and they
22:32
both look like
22:33
they could be six or seven eight dollar
22:35
stars but here's the thing with the
22:37
classic
22:38
series they're they're they're
22:42
less
22:43
you know they're less marketed as as the
22:46
higher tier they're sold differently
22:49
but there's still fantastic cigar i can
22:52
i can compare this cigar with you know
22:54
20 cigars in their portfolio i love that
22:57
cigar and i actually used to smoke a lot
22:59
of them um i bought one not too long ago
23:02
and then yesterday i got one of my
23:04
buddies gave me two i smoked one
23:06
yesterday it's one today as soon as you
23:08
came in you're like oh name one secret
23:10
i'm like oh this cigar
23:12
um when padron came out with their
23:14
valley line
23:15
which is this and people started seeing
23:17
that they could get a pedro for this
23:18
price that they went crazy but
23:21
for some reason
23:22
you don't see them around that much
23:24
and these are cigars that have been
23:26
rated 93 92 and 91 by sarah fizunado
23:29
ironically the casa magna that 1 08
23:34
was rated 93. so this could have easily
23:37
been the number one cigar of the year
23:39
um interesting how you went through that
23:42
thought process because you've been
23:44
there sort of like your mind's been
23:46
there yeah and i haven't explored that
23:49
padron
23:51
essentially i i didn't uh
23:53
so it didn't come to mind because i
23:54
didn't know about it i didn't know about
23:56
the fuss
23:57
and the
23:58
interest that peaked when those came out
24:01
but dude and
24:03
let me just link that to another cigar
24:05
that i think i mean there's a few i can
24:07
think of
24:09
camacho
24:10
back in the day but i mean we all know
24:12
they transitioned to davidoff and they
24:14
have a new face maybe they they don't
24:15
really connect the way that they used to
24:18
connect before
24:20
made at the same factory
24:22
um actually the same country
24:26
made with the same brand
24:29
there's a lot of
24:31
contrast
24:32
contrasting elements there that are
24:34
going to hinder my hinder my point a
24:36
little bit but
24:38
still you don't necessarily hear the
24:40
same
24:41
euphoria behind that brand
24:44
as it they did before
24:46
even though today there's a new market
24:49
for and there's a lot of people that
24:50
didn't smoke camacho 10 years ago
24:52
smoking camacho now because it comes
24:54
from davidoff i think
24:56
most camacho cigars
24:58
pair up or or just they're leveled to
25:01
any cigar that davidoff makes they're
25:03
fantastic they're branded differently
25:06
than they were when the brand was
25:07
originally purchased by davidoff
25:09
um
25:11
but a cigar that i was gonna transition
25:12
into was another number one cigar of the
25:15
year let's go for it i think it was like
25:17
10 years ago
25:19
my father flora de las antilles
25:22
so flor las antios was such a fan i
25:25
still have i'm i'm going to show you
25:28
later i still have a box
25:30
in there that'll probably going to have
25:31
like nine or tens of ours
25:33
cello is is as as yellow as that ball as
25:36
it doesn't
25:38
possibly get like not necessarily an
25:41
indicator of a page but if you've seen
25:44
it like if you if you bought them clear
25:46
and they're yellow now yeah yeah that
25:48
that's why it's valuable yeah it's not
25:50
because you open the box and they're
25:51
yellow yes you've seen them turn yellow
25:53
correct i mean but but a lot of people
25:55
don't understand that that there's a
25:57
hyper acceleration to the yellowing of
25:59
the cello when there's a little bit of
26:01
um excess um you know um
26:05
humidity trapped inside the cellophane
26:07
and
26:08
that's why the the
26:11
the
26:11
condensation within
26:14
the
26:14
um the cellophane
26:17
creates that that decoloration in the in
26:20
the wrapper and that's why the wrapper i
26:22
mean there's cigars that are one or two
26:24
years of age and excessive humidity
26:26
correct
26:27
and then you trap it you know it's kind
26:29
of a
26:30
kind of a young cigar within that cello
26:33
without the appropriate
26:35
graduation of moisture and then it deals
26:38
a little more moisture than it should
26:40
within a trapped airspace that's why
26:43
that's uh that's something i want to
26:45
look into further now yeah because i
26:47
knew there was an artificial way of uh
26:50
yellowing them further uh cellophane
26:53
that is because for those of you who
26:54
don't know
26:55
xelophane is actually a natural material
26:58
correct if you burn it
27:00
you can actually burn it unlike plastic
27:02
which will melt and cellophane if you
27:04
burn it it'll char
27:06
and turn yellow as it burns and has a
27:08
sweet aroma
27:10
uh
27:11
don't ask me why i know so much about
27:13
burning cellophane
27:14
but yeah uh cellophane evolves unlike
27:17
plastic and some manufacturers use
27:19
plastic to keep the sheen on their
27:21
products correct
27:23
also well i was saying
27:25
maybe
27:27
maybe that
27:29
you know
27:30
disappearance in the in the in the
27:34
mysticity or the mystic
27:36
aura of what that's of our hat for i
27:38
want to say two years of of uh you know
27:42
of uh momentum let's call it that of
27:46
being in
27:47
yeah it was was kind of dissipated in a
27:49
way because one it was sold
27:53
kind of aggressively um they
27:55
manufactured my father manufactured a
27:57
lot of that cigar and you would see it
27:59
on sale everywhere for a while that kind
28:01
of sucked because that was a great cigar
28:03
great pricing
28:05
regardless
28:06
prior to any sale but at the same time
28:10
you'll you'll grab a bunch of a handful
28:13
two handfuls of my father's cigars
28:15
different cigars each right you
28:17
lay them on your hands right next to
28:19
each other and then you'll notice that
28:21
there's one discrepancy and it's
28:23
that's the only my father's cigar
28:26
that has a band that doesn't have the
28:28
huge mf you can't really notice if you
28:32
walk into your humidor if you don't know
28:33
that cigar
28:34
but you know my father you won't take it
28:36
you won't know that it's in my father i
28:38
think the jaime garcia also doesn't have
28:41
the huge mf but but it still has the
28:43
opulent styling correct it has the
28:45
opulent style and they it's a very they
28:48
use the the same graphic designer for
28:50
years everything that they do even when
28:51
they did the revamp of fonseca they they
28:54
uh actually documented that and they
28:56
created a promotion of the video which
28:58
is
28:58
amazing um by the way just fantastic
29:01
just we'll link it below yeah don't be
29:03
probably won't but don't be walking
29:05
through the factory and everything and
29:07
the whole process of the design just
29:10
my props to that but maybe that's why
29:12
that's r you know
29:14
wasn't
29:15
you know still not
29:17
you don't go back to it like uh
29:20
obviously there's a few phenoms like the
29:22
bull the bull has five years since it
29:24
was cigar of the year uh and it still
29:27
sells like hot cake we're going on to
29:30
six because that was 2016. yeah and
29:32
we're in 2022. yeah they release uh
29:34
january 2017. yeah because we're going
29:36
to see the 2021 now in 2022. so that was
29:40
five years ago since its release and
29:42
it's still hotter than ever you can't
29:45
place a a bowl up in the yard without
29:48
having it snatched in a matter of
29:51
seconds you only actually got quite a
29:53
few for the sampler i think yeah the
29:54
only ones left in stock are in the
29:56
samplers we have a bunch in stock we're
29:58
just not putting them up because we
29:59
don't want people just like snatch them
30:01
and they're they're gonna be
30:03
they're they have been regulated by the
30:05
floor and i'm thankful for the
30:07
relationship that we have with lido that
30:08
they they send us some
30:10
product now and here and then but here
30:12
and there but
30:13
it's uh it's a it's a phenom it's like
30:16
five years and still hotter than ever
30:18
but still a number one center of the
30:19
year should disappear the way that this
30:21
part disappeared and it's it's actually
30:23
the magazine
30:25
aficionado doing that the marketing for
30:28
them
30:30
to a degree so it's it's
30:32
i think magazines and reviews especially
30:34
top 10 lists or yeah let's call them top
30:37
10 unless even though there's 25.
30:39
what they do is basically that magical
30:42
element of marketing which is mouth to
30:43
mouth
30:44
yeah word of mouth is malcolm
30:48
smith
30:51
is a different kind of industry that
30:52
we're not in yes it's a
30:55
french industry it is a it is a
30:57
different kind of industry my bad kids
31:00
uh
31:01
the three of you uh but yeah
31:05
what we were saying
31:07
what what is your take on that i think
31:09
it's fine
31:10
it's fun
31:11
i enjoy it i i am enthusiastic about
31:15
checking out each magazine's
31:17
top cigars of the year
31:19
seeing uh where i agree where i um
31:23
what i don't know that's usually usually
31:26
the ones i don't see coming are the ones
31:28
that excite me the most not the number
31:30
one so last year i kind of saw the
31:32
pledge winning coming because
31:35
in my former employment
31:37
uh i did a lot of studying of cigar
31:40
aficionado and how they come to be and
31:43
the pledge
31:44
had a pretty impressive rating early on
31:48
what they usually do is they give it a
31:50
low rating and then they re-rate it
31:51
higher yeah
31:53
then you've had cigars that
31:56
like
31:57
the ajf
31:58
uh two years ago had a really high
32:02
initial rating
32:03
he thought it was going to be
32:05
like up there but then it was then it
32:07
wasn't it was cigar journals cigar of
32:08
the year um but yeah i remember that
32:11
but it was like it was it was not even
32:14
top five for cigar
32:16
and then you have something some another
32:17
cigar from aj the but made by ho chi the
32:20
san antonio dominican which had an
32:22
initial rating of like 94
32:24
495 last year and then it went down to
32:28
93 and then ernesto got 98 with the
32:31
pledge which is the highest ever and
32:34
this is where you have to ask yourself
32:37
how many i think there was a there was a
32:38
there was a cuban in the 90s that i got
32:40
that got 100
32:47
usually includes a cuban in the top five
32:50
they love you because
32:52
it's i even uh
32:55
looked up patterns
32:56
of uh origins and the only one with a
32:59
consistent pattern where i think it's
33:01
part of the criteria let me guess
33:04
dr the last uh
33:06
four years oh no no dr nicaragua show no
33:09
correlation from year to year in terms
33:11
of there being a pattern correct but
33:13
cuba does
33:14
yeah so
33:16
aficionado almost always i think there
33:18
was one exception yeah guarantees they
33:21
are had the last four cigarettes
33:24
uh five
33:25
four or five bull pledge
33:28
um
33:29
yeah
33:30
uh
33:32
aging room
33:33
the other no the other one
33:34
that's nicaragua yeah that's what i was
33:36
saying
33:38
that's the exception yeah before that it
33:40
was fuente shark
33:42
bull
33:43
pledge and the other one feminist
33:46
yeah it was uh la promesa no uh no
33:48
encore
33:50
encore
33:51
and uh
33:54
encores the size
33:55
yeah the pledge i remember the the son
34:00
so there was la storia la story was
34:03
number two in 2016 i think
34:07
i think that was number one
34:09
ernie got two you got uh once he got
34:14
a year before aj room that age room then
34:17
we're talking about the brown rapper so
34:18
his bull shark ernie adrian ernie
34:22
yeah no we're talking about the
34:25
um the brown one nope that that was
34:28
cigar of the year before that it was a
34:30
number two
34:32
it
34:32
was huh i thought it was remember
34:35
ernie's got the three
34:37
big ones which is the one with the a
34:39
little baby blue
34:41
band that's that's the one you're
34:42
talking about that's la story that's the
34:43
one it was a number two yeah correct so
34:46
it wasn't number two yeah that's the
34:47
whole that's the minor correlation that
34:49
we have cigar efficient ratings were my
34:51
job for the longest time
34:53
i
34:54
i know uh i know a lot of them
34:56
i guess you could say by heart i like
34:58
the back of my hand all right so let's
35:01
let's put it to the test
35:03
what's winning this year yeah oh i
35:05
didn't do my homework this time
35:07
i mean
35:08
gosh you're uh you're an expert on on on
35:11
the matter i'm no expert i'm i was just
35:14
obsessively doing it for a living you
35:16
repeat you you were the uh the group of
35:19
uh the number one group the day before
35:21
that shot
35:22
24 and 25 for 25-25 were you part of
35:25
that group then
35:26
and now you're gonna be part of uh group
35:27
number three because
35:29
you didn't you haven't done your
35:30
homework and
35:31
you haven't done anything right
35:33
you're gonna make it so
35:34
what are you guys gonna be like
35:37
or something yeah i haven't done my
35:38
research and i haven't smoked enough
35:41
enough
35:43
because the thing is i had a position
35:45
change okay uh at laura so that wasn't
35:48
my job okay uh
35:51
you don't want one you don't even want
35:52
to take a guess
35:53
no you don't have the basis to take a
35:55
guess
35:56
i don't
35:57
i i want to take a guess i haven't even
35:59
read the magazine for most of the year
36:02
i think
36:04
i think i have a very strong feeling
36:07
that
36:09
my guy
36:10
eric espinosa
36:13
if the dogs care to shut up
36:17
nicely neighborhood dogs they're not
36:19
from here
36:20
um
36:22
and now the birds the birds are like
36:24
birds are louder there's a woodpecker
36:26
like right in that palm tree do you see
36:28
that
36:30
redhead yeah right head
36:32
i don't know yeah he's in the he's in
36:34
the first palm tree right to the next of
36:37
the
36:38
post he's by the wall he's by the wall
36:40
guys look at it over there yeah well i
36:44
staying on track i think
36:46
eric is is going to win it with the uh
36:52
beautiful man
36:53
and it's a
36:54
phenomenal cigar very bold
36:57
very very bold it's going to knock you
37:00
on your behind if you don't smoke full
37:04
bodied cigars or at least medium to full
37:06
bite cigars ours
37:07
i don't know if i'll start with this guy
37:09
but if you do it's going to be one of
37:11
the
37:12
your
37:12
favorite experiences
37:14
as of recently we don't even carry that
37:16
cigar yet we haven't even put it in the
37:18
pack so
37:19
just repping eric and giving credit to
37:21
where credit is due are we working on it
37:24
yeah probably probably had some i mean
37:26
just gotta give eric a call and see if
37:27
he has anything available we'll bring it
37:29
i'm pretty sure he's uh he's moving that
37:31
product pretty well but that that's
37:33
something on the agenda
37:34
um i think the azulejo um either the
37:38
corona the long corona or the toro
37:41
i don't know any size is fantastic they
37:43
all perform well i think that's going to
37:44
be the numbers once again the year four
37:46
cigars
37:50
you have it there's your guess well
37:52
prediction i guess you could call it
37:55
now
37:56
i guess the burden is on me to say
37:58
something
38:00
well you can that's fine i don't want to
38:01
put you on the spot because you haven't
38:03
you haven't really been
38:04
doing your your pre your past life's job
38:07
but
38:08
what is your take on why these
38:11
movies like blood diamond or these
38:13
cigars fade away a little bit in a way
38:16
because they weren't at the top at
38:18
the box office
38:20
or the
38:21
the academy ratings
38:25
okay
38:27
so you're saying leo should have at
38:28
least one oscar right i think he should
38:30
have had one there yeah for sure like
38:33
think about it if that would have been
38:34
his first oscar yeah he he would have
38:37
had like five that would have that would
38:39
have been a movie box of pandora like
38:41
let's just put it this way uh my brother
38:44
he's a
38:45
he's a professor now at the at the
38:47
university awesome yeah and uh if leo
38:51
had won
38:52
best actor there i want his take on this
38:54
he would have highlighted i'm sure i'm
38:56
sure he'll probably say
38:58
he'll probably at least agree with blood
39:00
diamond being
39:01
remembered uh
39:03
more fondly if leo had won his first
39:05
oscar then yeah well oh by far
39:08
i think he was
39:09
a academy award winner that year
39:12
he's been a kind of academy award winner
39:14
a couple times but he won with the
39:16
revenant for the first time with the
39:18
revenant was that it yeah
39:20
but that was after oh it was way after
39:23
yeah it was his first one was connery
39:26
sean john connery was it the uh oh he
39:29
passed away in the last no it wasn't
39:31
sean connery damn why can't i
39:33
i'm talking about uh recent ones i
39:35
haven't given enough hannibal
39:38
oh my god
39:40
here's how much you know about movies
39:43
who are the main actors in hannibal
39:46
here are some movies spider-man no no
39:50
who were the main actors in hannibal
40:01
no that's not it i got his face in my
40:03
mind i just don't know his name
40:05
who were
40:06
the
40:07
main actors in hannibal
40:11
you could say show me the hannibal cast
40:13
try that but
40:15
he's
40:16
siri's trying to catch your voice now oh
40:18
sorry sir siri can you show me the
40:20
hannibal cast
40:28
still trying to pick up your your noises
40:31
my noises yeah let's go maybe the birds
40:34
noises
40:35
hatable
40:37
um nope not that one i mean your series
40:40
guy
40:41
not that one my google assistant is
40:44
australian
40:46
that
40:50
one anthony hopkins geez
40:54
yeah the hopkins anthony hopkins
40:57
i knew that
40:58
great actor
41:00
unbelievable
41:01
who won last year
41:03
so to wrap up
41:05
yeah episode
41:06
10
41:08
aka one of 2022
41:11
what's your take on
41:13
why these cigars are potentially
41:15
forgotten the way they have and you can
41:17
relate it to cigars that you spoke five
41:19
years ago and don't even think of
41:21
picking up even though
41:23
they're in the market
41:28
it's something as simple as they're out
41:30
of fashion
41:32
and
41:32
the
41:34
and fashion is determined by
41:38
really
41:40
market forces and we know how
41:42
unpredictable they are
41:43
it's just
41:47
supply and demand
41:48
with hype with
41:50
uh speculation yeah like al
41:54
all the sort of things that
41:55
that move market trends
41:59
it's i think it's two sides of the same
42:01
coin
42:02
so if uh it's not a popular cell i'm
42:05
sorry that's it's not a popular cell if
42:07
it's not popular to market at some point
42:10
it'll be forgotten
42:12
or replaced or replaced which is
42:14
probably the case in a lot of these
42:16
padron not the case no patrons
42:20
the case yeah even though my father's
42:23
doing great quesadas
42:26
casa and vega
42:28
sadly uh hopefully league ifa
42:31
well it is it's been uh
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been doing a fantastic job with us at
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least hopefully league if revives a
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little bit of that enthusiasm again
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because they're putting their hearts
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into it yep they're putting their hearts
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into it
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all right well that concludes it for
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episode
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10 we'll be uh shooting another one next
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week i'm feeling it dude but in a good
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way nice it's like uh
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it's nice a little nicotine
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just oh it's not the nicotine it's
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it's just
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the body okay
43:06
you're the man be ready be on the
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lookout for
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tigers 2.0 potentially releasing
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anywhere between march and april
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probably april
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probably
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with a trademark tiger stripe never
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called the barber pole before no no no
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