What started as a conversation about palate saturation eventually evolved into a full-blown scientific discussion about how tasting notes come to be, and how to fully experience cigar smoking as it should be. Alex and Mac take the topic for a spin and reach common ground from different places.
What started as a conversation about palate saturation eventually evolved into a full-blown scientific discussion about how tasting notes come to be, and how to fully experience cigar smoking as it should be. Alex and Mac take the topic for a spin and reach common ground from different places.
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welcome to episode 8 of the my cigar
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pack podcast for this one we're going
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into the science maybe of the tasting
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note process and how it's a little bit
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more than just marketing jargon so
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you're going to enjoy this one that's
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for sure stay tuned welcome is it
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episode eight
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welcome to episode eight
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uh or something
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i haven't cut this guess guess what i'm
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cutting with this time round
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ah check this out
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check this out it's scandinavian puko
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nice of course
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i'm gonna have a big struggle this time
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around i think it's the first time that
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i have
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like such
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such a
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massive distance or like between the
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angle of the camera and
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you know
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where
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your screen is at that's where i am
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yeah
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uh but i think i'm trying to have the
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camera yeah pretend i'm the
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camera and don't talk and look at me
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because pretend pretend pretend your
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voice is coming from the camera that's
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what i that's what i have to do
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well
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i don't think that's too big of a deal
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it's not it's not at all because if i'm
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talking the people at home are or the
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people in the car
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are looking at me anyway check this out
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listen to this but yeah you know what oh
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what's that yeah that's it's
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that's crazy that's how
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that's how well-made it is that's
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incredible that's good stuff
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um yeah
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yeah no you know i was i was listening
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to
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to the episodes for the first time on
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spotify like actually listening them one
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by one
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audio you know audio is pretty good for
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the most part
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um
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based on our efforts you know to say the
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least it's uh it's been pretty good it's
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but then like it's improving
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yeah it's gonna be improving a lot more
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i'm not used to this but
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the thing is
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i forget a lot of times when i like do
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gestures and i'm like yeah look at this
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then i forget that
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people that are listening on their car
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or whatever they're not going to be able
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to see what i'm trying to point out
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like there are people that i would know
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only because i did them but i you know
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you were like listeners would
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have no idea what i was talking about
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have you seen some of the comments
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saying nice podcast alex
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[Laughter]
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yeah
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um
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dude you've done a really good job
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setting this up i'm i'm really proud to
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um to how we've uh
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how we've picked this up and um you know
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momentum we got to keep it going
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i ain't proud yet because it ain't what
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i wanted to be but
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i'm just glad that the ship's floating
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and we're definitely on course it's it's
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too late to turn back now listen max i
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already told you five times cigars and
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knives it's just not gonna happen
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hollywood's not gonna buy in
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well i don't want hollywood's money
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okay actually as a matter of fact
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hollywood has enough money to keep for
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themselves and get into scandals because
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that's what they're all about
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listen by the way anyway
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yeah what are you doing tonight
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my question my first question which is
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the natural question on a cigar podcast
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is what are you smoking and that is
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directly linked
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to
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what really inspired
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today's topic
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so go ahead what are you smoking
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i am enjoying a fernando leon
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in uh founder's choice which is
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basically a corona but a little bit
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shorter
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uh and
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it's like a lonsdale number
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no
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it's a proprietary
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uh vittola at laura it's actually the
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number four mold
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that that's what they call it over there
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okay so if you say number four this is
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exactly what uh
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what uh
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it's it's almost
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it's a corona yeah it's it's just
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half an inch shorter than
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than what i guess a standardized corona
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should be and guess what there are
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there's no such thing as a standard
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corona anyway so it's a corona
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so what are you enjoying
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um
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well before i tell you what i'm enjoying
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i'll ask you why why did you go for for
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that fernando
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um proprietary matild cigar
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well it's the first uh
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laura cigar i've smoked since i left
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really didn't you smoke a load on our
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first podcast episode
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i did not
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what i did oh no you smoked old tiger
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you smoked you smoked a steerstagger on
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everything
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but i think you smoked are you sure you
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didn't smoke one of the no
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maybe i showed one off i showed one off
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but that's oh you did it right the
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vintage um
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yeah the oh six no the yeah or six right
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and that's nothing against laura it's
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just that i've been trying out so much
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new stuff yeah
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to get that uh
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just try new stuff because
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this was all i had
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well mostly what i had for a long time
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so uh
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and it's a great cigar it's this is a
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pretty good cigar but yeah i just
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are you drinking stuff
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i'm not not tonight
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because i've got writing to do i'm not
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done writing some of the stuff uh
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oh what's that show me show me that show
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the people
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it's uh
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woodford reserve uh it's a 90 proof low
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proofer but uh
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today's monday
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um
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and you have to uh front
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mondays bravely
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and uh this is my my brave way of
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affronting
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monday
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and what are you smoking with it
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and i am
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smoking something
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that inspired today's topic um it's a ld
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coronado
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coronado bonsairo coronado coronado
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lincero um
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i think i told you about this band not
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too long ago right remember the classic
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like a line shape super cool
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um episode five i think it was
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yeah epis could have been episode five
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or six yep yep
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um
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love this cigar
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it's really classic but this luncero the
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reason why i'm smoking it is it's just
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one of the lenseros that i picked up
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today um at the office
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and
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you know i looked at it and it just drew
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my attention like it didn't matter what
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my palette was telling me
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visually i wanted to smoke a lincero
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today
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i um i ended up smoking a serie
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on the way back home
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uh i smoked
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i smoked a short fuente afterwards and
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then i smoked an unbanned cigar so i
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didn't get to lencero but i've been
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bugged it's like a feeling that i
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haven't really smoked in a day because i
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haven't smoked what i wanted to smoke
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and it's not necessarily this particular
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cigar because of because it's because of
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what it is
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but more of like
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how visually appealing it was to me you
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know
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um i do say this because one of the
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things that we're gonna discuss today is
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um basically
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how
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the palette gets saturated
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how you get saturated from smoking
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certain cigars both
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you know
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physically in your palate and mentally
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by looking at it and i'm not talking
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about mental health here and i'm not
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talking about
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you know
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these these things um disturbing your
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mind i'm talking about
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you know no matter how good a cigar is
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sometimes you just just get sick of it
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no matter how much you love lancero
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sometimes you want to take a break of
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freaking lens arrows you know what i'm
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saying um and we've talked about this
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recently when lincers could be the
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greatest cigar that you smoke as they
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could be the worst they're
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arguably one of the
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hardest to roll
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um hardest to blend
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um
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so even even when you do get
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consistently good batches you'll get
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you know a higher frequency of bad
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cigars
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um
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that were previously good
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based on these you know natural
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circumstances on on the difficulty of
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you know making them so
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you know i'm gonna let you
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you know chime in the topic a little bit
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of how you feel about
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palette saturation and mental saturation
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on on your personal angle like how you
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get tired of certain cigars i think
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that's really cool because
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a lot of people buy boxes buy a lot of
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boxes right yeah
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i mean i've bought
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many boxes as well but i don't smoke
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them all at the same time i've seen
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people that buy boxes and just consume
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all these boxes like that's true like
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raster cheese yeah i've seen that and
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but mostly when i buy a box which i've
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done scarcely
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honestly
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uh i share
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probably half of the cigars
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yeah i give them away
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i think cigars are great gifts so
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that
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that's yeah so that's mainly why but
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really uh in terms of palette saturation
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i know exactly what you're talking about
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remember i was in the tasting panel for
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two years
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yeah
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i know i thought you were the perfect
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component for this conversation i'm like
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yeah perfect
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so
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at some point it becomes an exercise and
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it's it's like going to the gym i guess
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you could say
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if you look at me you can tell that i'm
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not
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like too big on going to the gym and
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it's not because i don't like exercise i
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actually love to get moving and deuce
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and get active but going to the gym is
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really boring for me because i just
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i'm not good with sticking to a routine
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and i see smoking a cigar very sim
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similar to that so i get my workout in
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by playing sports uh
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hiking stuff like that
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uh but
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what that's a very valid point very
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valid very relatable so
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yeah so i think cigars are very similar
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to a degree so think about
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a cigar kind of like a workout routine
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if you do the same thing over and over
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and over and over and over again not
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only are you going to get tired
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of whatever that
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routine's focused on let's say it's a
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certain muscle group not only you're
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gonna get sick of that there like you're
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gonna get sick of peppery notes
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but you're also not doing
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the rest of your body or the rest of
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your palate any favors by sticking to
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something you really if you like spicy
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cigars it makes you a little better at
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spicy cigars to smoke something leathery
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and sweet because
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it trains your palate to pick up those
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notes
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and
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to appreciate them all
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yeah and that'll allow you to
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be able to determine the difference
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between a white pepper spice and a black
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and a black pepper spice
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correct it's something so simple
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but you'll get it if you do that
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so that's that's i think that's all i
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really have to say about that without uh
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repeating myself
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it's a lot no i think that's
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that's great feedback um
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yeah i i completely concur um
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i think one of the things so i'll touch
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a little bit more on the on the like
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mental side so
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like sometimes
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just
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looking at a cigar
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based on your mood
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even if you love maduros you can't get
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enough of maduro sometimes like just
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looking at maduro
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after you've had five cigars in a day
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and you've already
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drained
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your palate in a way you've you've
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really
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pounded on your palate you've given it
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so given it so many flavors so many
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distinctive notes
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um
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you know your certain
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patterns of of eating have been
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exhausted in a way of drinking have been
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exhausted in a way that
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you know
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visually
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even though
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you're drawn to these luscious
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connecticut broad leaf wrap cigars
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you know
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that these are flavors you know what the
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flavor is you're gonna you know you know
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you kind of predict what kind of flavors
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you're getting from those cigars because
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one you like them too
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um you you you've built a pattern by
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you know continuously smoking them and
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i'm just using the connecticut broadleaf
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maduro as an example because it's very
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visual you know toothy wrappers
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very shiny don't have these uh you know
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pigmentation like uh
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like the san andreas wrappers or maybe
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the silkiness of a brazilian kubrow um
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you know but it's a very particular
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look
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and just by looking at it
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you know
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it kind of mentally exhausts you
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something you're like listen man i
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love maduros but i gotta give it a
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switch
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um i gotta change from just just for the
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for the visual appearance it doesn't
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even relate to what you're
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going to taste
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um
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you know
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it doesn't
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doesn't matter
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that these flavors that you pick
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pickup are
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are things that you know and you
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understand or or or it's just
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it's just the way that your mind works
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and
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the same things happen it's kind of it's
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kind of a
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subjective
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you know approach
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in a way maybe a lot of people don't go
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through this
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um
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not saying i particularly suffer because
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of it uh but definitely it's just like
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smoking on tears i love lunteros but i
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can't smoke them all the time but today
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i woke up
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i think unconsciously i woke up wanting
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on cero because i went and checked
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i went and did a quick inventory
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revision that i didn't have to
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um i have written down i didn't have it
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on my calendar i didn't have it
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you know i didn't think of it but
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when i woke up apparently subconsciously
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i was thinking everyone says as soon as
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i walked in to one of the humidors i
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went to check on a few of these you know
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i grabbed my ct 142 on cerro um
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i grabbed a uh queen's pearl and cerro
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you know i checked up on some things
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that i didn't really have to
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but i felt like i kind of wanted a
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lensero and it bugged me
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the rest of the day that i smoked four
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cigars and none of them was a linzera
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actually threesome
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you know right now it's like
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dude this is a great
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topic to kind of exhaust at this
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particular time
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i think that's a craving more than
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anything
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yeah yeah it's it's a third element to
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it so
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we've got
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things you get get tired of things you
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get tired of tasting things you get
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tired of looking at and things you can't
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be satisfied without so you had
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three amazing cigars today yep
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yep and you can't wrap up the day
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without having that one you were craving
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and you might as well have woken up in a
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different dimension and only had that
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one today but that's the one that got
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you satisfied and it's not my favorite
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flavor-wise of the day it's not even
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it's not even my favorite you know it's
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not
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making me
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more satisfied flavor wise than another
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one you know you know what i'm saying
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like so i
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kind of hit it on the nail there but at
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the same time
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um
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it's like
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yes it's more it's more of a craving but
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it could be argued that
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you know
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a lot of people pick sizes because of
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craving
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not because of price not because of
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um you know not because of they're used
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to smoking robustos or whatever
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or because they don't like you know big
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ring gauges in their mouth
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like actually physically
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uncomfortable it's
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yeah um it's like corona you know and
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sometimes i love coronas because because
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of so many reasons but you know
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a big part of why
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when i walk into a humidor and i select
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certain sizes versus over others is
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because i'm craving those sizes
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not because of a you know personal
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inclination to just smoke coronas or you
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know whatever
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i think i think this is it doesn't
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really
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deserve such depth
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um
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you know as as far as we're going but
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but i think it's interesting because
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it is at the end of the day
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you know a reason why we spend
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you know eight nine ten fifteen twenty
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dollars in a cigar that we're going to
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enjoy even though plus
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plus exactly and you know and even
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though we're not getting the flavors
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that we got from other cigars in that
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same day or from different prices
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you're satisfying what you
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you know you're satisfying your sweet
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tooth right
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speaking of that can you
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uh tame a
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chocolate craving with a chocolaty cigar
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i think you can
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i i think you can
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um
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and by you i mean you because i
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personally cannot i love chocolate if i
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have if i have chocolate craving i'll
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eat chocolate
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uh but at the same time there are some
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cigars more so than others that
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just pair so ridiculously well with
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um
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not pear but yield uh so ridiculously
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well these these chocolate notes um and
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these sweet notes that can say
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that can tell you hey man you didn't eat
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that chocolate but
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you smoked cigar which is honestly it's
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honestly better and you got that
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you know insatiable um desire for
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chocolate craving
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covered by that smoke
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dude
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dude you can pair dark chocolate with
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cigars and it's actually pretty damn
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good you have to find the right cigar
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nah do it all the time there you go this
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regard people are finding the rights of
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her i do it all the time
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so i mean you
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you see it a lot that the pairings that
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matter are usually uh drinks coffee like
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coffee uh
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some spirits
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rarely do we ever get into pairing our
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cigars with with food and it's primarily
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finger food i'm not sure
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if it's the right color to pair a cigar
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with them with an entree for example but
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finger food like yeah
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nuts why not
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with an entree yeah why not pear was a
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very small hair i do it all the time
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well
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you might spill ash
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on your
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on your lasagna and that wouldn't be so
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great
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no you just don't put your cigar on your
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plate but
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i
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i concur to with what you said but i'm
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not going to go ahead and agree with it
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100 i just
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i think
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it's not so rare i just feel that it
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doesn't get so much
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attention
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i see people all especially europeans
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man europeans it's like when you go to
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dortmund when you go to
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you know different places in europe you
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see cigar smokers it's like a ritual
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they sit down have their cappuccino or
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their macchiatos or their cortaditos
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um and then right next to it you have
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like a wafer or a
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vanilla cookie or
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something based out of you know like
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caramel based or vanilla based and then
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you know at the same time you have like
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a little wafer or dark chocolate
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um
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you know i think
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i did an episode with omar de frias and
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fratello we did in dc and virginia which
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we uh shot it a couple months back and
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we paired
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um
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the classic line firecracker with
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um wow it was some
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karakti
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which is a very sweet um i think it's
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indian
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indian derived tea and
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and then we paired it with ice cream i
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loved the pairing with the ice cream he
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hated it whoa i'm just unbelievable
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just unbelievable and i i won't do it so
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much is because i don't have the
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ritual the time and the patience but if
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i were
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not saying if i were a european but if i
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were
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in a in a you know you know in a time
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space or in a circumstance where i could
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just sit down in more enjoyable places
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like you know like a cafe outside not
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necessarily a cigar bar but a cafe
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outside where i could order some
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chocolate some macchiatos maybe a little
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dessert
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um i i do it way more often
21:21
well europe is uh as a whole for the
21:24
most part that's at least what i've seen
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is uh
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a mostly
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uh
21:31
going on foot using public transport
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sort of
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place i mean obviously this changes from
21:37
city to city but when i was in madrid
21:42
everything was sort of designed around
21:44
walking there
21:45
you know yeah like
21:47
cities are well i guess you could argue
21:49
that new york is a lot like that but
21:50
most american cities have huge distances
21:53
you go there by car
21:55
it's 30 minutes away wherever you're
21:57
going yeah in europe's not a lot like
21:59
that
22:01
by the way totally got what you said
22:02
about dorman been there a million times
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not
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but
22:07
i did enjoy cigars in madrid and in rome
22:10
and i totally get it it's uh it's
22:13
culture
22:15
yeah it's a huge culture of walking
22:17
places
22:18
you walk to places
22:19
and when you go there you make the walk
22:22
worthwhile and you sit down a long time
22:24
so yeah it does make a lot of sense
22:28
yeah smoking uh
22:30
cafe i think cafe milan next to uh
22:34
well close to parker no actually um
22:50
i remember where this was
22:52
where
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one of my favorite cigars in madrid was
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there
23:03
i'll tell the folks a story while you do
23:04
that so i was in rome
23:07
near the spanish steps and everything
23:09
was starting to open up and i walk into
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this place that says bar and i didn't
23:13
know it at the time but cafes actually
23:16
are called bars in rome so i walk into a
23:20
bar
23:21
and it's actually
23:22
a coffee shop to my surprise and that is
23:25
where i had the best espresso i've ever
23:28
had i was roaming rome alone
23:30
and i walk in there
23:32
speaking like horrible italian and i
23:36
greet the the he's an old man that was
23:38
there i greet the old man was there and
23:41
sort of with my bad italian and his
23:43
comprehension we reached an agreement
23:45
that i wanted an espresso and it was
23:47
possibly the best espresso i've ever had
23:50
and obviously
23:52
i was actually thinking i should have
23:53
brought cigars with me at the time uh
23:56
because that would that was the perfect
23:58
time to do it it was the perfect time to
24:00
pull out a
24:01
cigar i was gonna say stick but i
24:03
promised the folks at casala i would
24:05
never do that
24:09
that was uh
24:10
nice yeah
24:11
i should have i think that would have
24:13
been one of the more memorable cigars
24:15
i'd have ever had but i didn't do it so
24:18
it remains as one of the few regrets i
24:20
have in life
24:21
no regrets
24:22
listen i it was uh next it's like two
24:25
blocks away from plaza retiro this
24:28
nice little cafe
24:29
yeah that's exactly what i was talking
24:31
about so
24:32
yeah
24:35
in madrid is like this long broad street
24:38
that's basically designed around walking
24:41
yep
24:43
sure there's a street where cars go but
24:45
most people there are walking and it's
24:48
great it's a great time uh i'm gonna
24:50
have to go there if i ever go back to
24:51
madrid which is likely unless i die
24:53
young but hey
24:54
knock on wood it doesn't happen
24:58
there's a reason they called me the
24:59
madman back in the day
25:02
back in the day
25:06
they call me can't get right
25:08
can't get right
25:09
yeah
25:11
that's great listen um
25:14
yeah i think that pretty much covers
25:17
you know what i feel with saturating the
25:20
palette um i can
25:22
add on a little bit to that by
25:26
you know um
25:29
saying that that appreciating certain
25:31
cigars and now we're going to the
25:34
physical
25:36
aspect of saturating the palate um
25:39
your fifth cigar is not gonna be
25:42
appreciated as your first cigar
25:44
and i'll go ahead as far as you know
25:48
suggesting that
25:50
you don't necessarily have to smoke less
25:52
but
25:54
i
25:55
i want to suggest people to to be
25:58
aware of how you clean you know how you
26:01
how you do that
26:02
your palate cleansing protocol or how
26:05
you clean your palate in general just
26:08
you know coffee is is a great
26:09
neutralizer not during but
26:13
between smokes um it really
26:16
otherwise and and both you know both in
26:18
the both
26:19
both in nostrils and in your mouth
26:22
um
26:23
club soda is what we used
26:26
club soda's the best but
26:28
i i say that
26:30
you
26:31
i always
26:32
i always tell people that if you can
26:34
just have a coffee coats a little bit
26:36
coat your pallet a little bit and then
26:37
you drink club soda because it kind of
26:39
neutralizes um your palate
26:42
um
26:44
to to a degree that club soda cleans it
26:48
but it doesn't neutralize it so much if
26:51
if that makes any sense it kind of it
26:52
kind of cleans the coating but it it can
26:55
it can leave some you know some flavors
26:58
lingerie i mean jose blanco industrial
27:00
legend um
27:02
was part of la roda before you were
27:04
there but he did a bunch of seminars
27:06
when i was in palma and you know he
27:09
would always say that even though he did
27:11
the seminars with
27:13
the club soda
27:15
you know and have i want to interrupt
27:17
you by the way a lot of his seminars are
27:19
on youtube and they're great so look
27:21
them up they're fantastic you know he
27:23
would he would you know he would say
27:24
that
27:25
if you have access to coffee black
27:27
coffee no flavor no sugar drink a little
27:31
bit of that coffee it's going to leave a
27:32
coat in your mouth but then drink some
27:33
club soda and that's going to be like
27:35
the perfect combination um if you're
27:38
going to do back-to-backs then probably
27:40
the time that it's going to that that
27:42
your mouth requires to kind of
27:45
forget about the coffee that you just
27:48
drank then just go for club soda uh but
27:50
if you have a little bit of time um you
27:53
know drink some coffee then drink some
27:54
club soda and go ahead and dive into
27:57
your next car but it's it's important
27:59
for people to understand especially now
28:01
that we're going to try to bring in the
28:02
new flavor wheel and you know try to get
28:05
more conscious about how we
28:07
analyze
28:08
flavors and cigar
28:10
we have to understand that the fifth
28:11
cigar
28:13
is not going to taste
28:15
our mouth and our nostrils
28:17
are not going to be as receptive as
28:20
the first cigar we smoke you know um
28:23
it's
28:24
your palate saturated
28:26
it's your
28:27
your mind is trying to pick up on these
28:29
flavors trying to think your
28:31
subconscious is trying to work while you
28:33
don't think if that's the case um so
28:36
it's important to understand that and i
28:37
think that
28:38
you know there's a lot of people that
28:40
follow us and listen to us that do smoke
28:43
more than you know a couple cigars a
28:45
week so if you're like like us that on
28:47
occasion you'll have you know three four
28:49
cigars
28:50
um
28:52
the more you respect that process the
28:54
more your palette will will you know
28:58
reward you by appreciating those flavors
29:00
more and you know allowing you to
29:02
understand and appreciate the store as
29:04
it is meant to you know to be perceived
29:07
flavor-wise
29:09
not gonna lie i actually stopped smoking
29:11
cigars while i do stuff
29:13
and whenever i smoke one i do just that
29:17
yep
29:18
and i mean
29:20
actually i just i just thought of it
29:22
the fifth cigar
29:24
analogy i mean the fifth cigar
29:26
uh concept you just explained yes well
29:29
with the analogy of the workouts a fifth
29:31
workout in a day
29:33
that's that's not gonna go as well as
29:35
the first one did
29:36
so
29:38
that saturation is real this is a part
29:40
of your body that's putting in some work
29:43
and that sort of needs to replenish its
29:45
uh isn't the tongue the strongest muscle
29:47
in your body
29:49
well
29:50
sort of yeah there you go yeah
29:53
it's the most dense one i guess i guess
29:55
is fair to say
29:57
but yeah it's a muscle your tongue's a
29:59
muscle but
30:00
uh it's it's about the senses you don't
30:02
want to strain your senses
30:04
so let's say you have this cigar
30:07
you really want to have
30:09
don't leave it for the fifth one of the
30:10
day actually have it in the morning why
30:12
not you know that cigar you're really
30:14
looking forward to yeah it's what you
30:16
were saying best approach it with a
30:18
clean palate
30:19
absolutely and if you can't try to
30:23
make your palette as clean as possible
30:25
when you're gonna go to the next one
30:26
because at the end of the day
30:29
you are like us we are like you we go
30:32
for we go we go we go harder we go home
30:34
it's either four or five or
30:37
it it's that's what i usually do i mean
30:39
i'm not telling people to smoke more
30:42
my my
30:43
you know my smoke better
30:46
yeah no but seriously my
30:49
perfect
30:50
day
30:52
to appreciate cigars is one in the
30:53
morning or in the afternoon
30:55
um that means i had enough work and
30:56
enough
30:58
in a circumstance that
30:59
you know enabled me to focus on work um
31:02
enabled me to do a bunch of stuff but at
31:03
the same time allowed me to enjoy
31:06
you know the
31:07
adequate amount of cigars that i believe
31:09
it's perfect for me to smoke completely
31:11
you know a couple hours for each
31:13
um but there are days that i will have
31:16
i'll be sitting in a setting where i
31:18
don't necessarily have to
31:20
you know
31:21
um
31:22
do so many different things moving
31:23
around so i can smoke four or five
31:26
um i'm not gonna say on camera that
31:29
happens often but
31:30
uh yeah you just try to try to
31:34
try to set yourself up for for those
31:36
experiences as you possibly can and you
31:38
know listening to different people talk
31:41
about this like i mean i'm just
31:42
repeating things that i've heard and
31:43
i've learned
31:44
and i'll keep learning obviously um yeah
31:47
we're here to live together
31:49
yeah it's an ongoing thing i think i'm
31:51
on the opposite side of the spectrum
31:53
now
31:54
uh because whenever i smoke a cigar it's
31:58
cigar time
31:59
yeah you know
32:00
it's like i'm not doing anything else i
32:02
might grab a book and just shift through
32:05
pages while i do it
32:06
but
32:07
it's cigar time
32:09
so
32:10
it's not like uh i'm typing and i'm
32:13
puffing on a smoke
32:14
or i'm driving i don't do that anymore
32:17
unless i was like at a factory and i've
32:19
got a cigar i'm not just going to waste
32:20
it i'm going to smoke it in the car for
32:22
example if i was to if i was doing
32:24
something that
32:25
was made better by a cigar that's an
32:27
exception but when it comes to me
32:29
grabbing one of my cigars from my
32:30
humidor and going to smoke it
32:33
there's a time for that and that's safe
32:37
yeah so it be it one a day two a day
32:40
three a day it doesn't matter it's a
32:42
very ni it's not a very productive day
32:44
if it's four a day i'll tell you that
32:46
because that's
32:48
eight hours doing nothing but smoking
32:50
cigars because i'm serious it's sacred
32:53
it's a religious experience to a degree
32:56
i don't do anything else but smoke my
32:58
cigars not even watch it not even watch
32:59
a sports game no just focus on the cigar
33:03
that's the way i do it now
33:05
and
33:06
i think that that's allowed me to get a
33:08
more acute appreciation of what's going
33:11
on with it with the cigar itself it's
33:13
not something passive it's an active
33:15
hobby
33:16
and i love it
33:17
it's a lot of fun
33:19
and uh
33:20
the the settings you take your cigars to
33:22
matter so oh absolutely
33:26
yeah
33:26
i haven't been hiking in a while but
33:28
when you're on a ridge and you find a
33:30
spot of the ridge that isn't too windy
33:33
you can just sit down and enjoy a smoke
33:36
it's possibly one of the best ways to
33:38
have one not gonna lie
33:40
uh right by a tent with a nice breeze
33:43
uh have my campfire there while water's
33:46
boiling so i can cook with it or purify
33:48
it
33:49
yeah memories are coming back i love
33:51
that i love that nice you guys you're
33:53
getting nostalgic here on me
33:55
um listen man we got
33:58
you know we got a couple minutes left
33:59
here but we're gonna go ahead and wrap
34:00
it up um it's been a long day it's been
34:03
nice to
34:05
hanging out with you with you here as
34:06
usual
34:08
this wraps up episode
34:10
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34:25
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34:26
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34:29
occasionally get on formula one um
34:33
is uh it's gone now
34:36
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34:39
that's my guy um
34:42
retired well he bowed out in style so
34:45
yeah he did he asked am i it's the
34:47
iceman bro you've if you've seen him
34:49
you've seen him well
34:51
you may not remember but i think it was
34:53
like a grand prix
34:55
i want to say like 12 years ago
34:57
um he got drunk he crashed in monaco got
35:01
drunk out of his mind
35:03
i mean he he crashed
35:06
literally
35:07
left the racetrack walking to his yacht
35:11
you see him with his with his uniform
35:13
and his helmet i remember that i
35:15
remember that
35:16
gets drunk out of his mind that night he
35:19
was recorded falling out of the i don't
35:21
know if i don't remember if he fell
35:24
to the wall i don't think he fell in the
35:25
water but he fell like it was it was a
35:27
very visual thing to see like can be
35:30
like falling and everybody making a
35:32
fumble it was it was great so um you
35:35
know let's wrap it up thank you
35:36
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35:39
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35:42
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35:45
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35:56
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