That's right, folks! This is the one where we light up some cubans rolled 30 and 20 years ago and bring you along for the ride. This pair of smokes goes all the way back to the 90s and were originally stored in Daniel Nuñez' personal humidor... interesting story, but how was the smoke? Sit back, relax, grab your cigar of choice and enjoy!
That's right, folks! This is the one where we light up some cubans rolled 30 and 20 years ago and bring you along for the ride. This pair of smokes goes all the way back to the 90s and were originally stored in Daniel Nuñez' personal humidor... interesting story, but how was the smoke? Sit back, relax, grab your cigar of choice and enjoy!
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howdy guys mack here alex has been
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sitting on a few 30 and 20 year old
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cubans for a while now and uh he didn't
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dare touch him without bringing us along
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for the ride so let's get into it
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episode four my cigar pack podcast
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let's do it episode four that's for the
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my cigar pack podcast
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i've got my man mac right here to my
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right mac got a franchise name right
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here in the middle what is that fantasy
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very special cognac what makes it very
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special well it's the moment we're going
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to have some 20 year old cube and cigar
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that's exactly right 20 year old cuban
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cigar i can feel the hipsters shaking
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their boots
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let me say poor you not very aromatic
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it's probably lost a lot of its oils on
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the wrapper oh you think
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and uh plume galore
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definitely pungalore right here
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oh actually let's do another
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bottle kill yeah well i think we got
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another round left in there but we'll do
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a bottle kill what am i smoking
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you're smoking uh rwana and i think the
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rawaina is
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it's either 90 it's uh vintage 2002
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and this is a
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monte cristo i think it's the number two
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one of my favorite cigars favorite cuban
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cigars if it works it's fantastic
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um and we'll get to that if it works
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that conditional statement there
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um
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yeah it's it's
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it's a great cigar
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i i don't say that often about cuban
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cigars i'm not a cuban hater um
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but neither are you blindly yeah but
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we're gonna i think we're gonna get to
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the bottom of it i don't know if you
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have like a very bright outlook
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on on cuban cigars but i've had a couple
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they were both plugged okay but uh they
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still had good flavor in mine
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try it out
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for me these are very delicate i for
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sure that's why i want to
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leave the steady steady hands mad to it
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but uh meanwhile man there's a net on my
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eye
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oh there's two nets one on each yeah
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that's why i want to light i just i want
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to get these mosquitoes oh there you go
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i was i was thinking about calling it a
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a um
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oh i can smell warm fall
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afternoon in santiago
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it's gotta be it's gotta be one of the
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hottest you mean late summer because we
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have dog for sure that i beat this is
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november 1st this is fall this is 1 000
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fall we have summer year round here i
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don't know what you're talking about
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we've had summer year rounds in the past
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years but
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let me tell you man it it had been
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yeah but given
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give it a shot obviously
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yeah man that's uh
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odds are definitely not in your favor
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when smoking these these uh these humans
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man especially old ones there you go
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we're lighting up with butane uh here
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yeah there's a lot of comments about
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butte about i mean it's expected it's
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the first thing coming up there's a guy
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that said that we don't know how to like
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we actually have no idea how to like no
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clue i'm actually i would i would i
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would encourage whoever said that to
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make a video on how to light a cigar
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send it over and we'll push it into our
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channel yeah we'll we'll put in a
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thumbnail or like a small little clip on
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the video i mean we're happy to share
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knowledge knowledge is power knowledge
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knowledge
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knowledge is money power knowledge moves
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the world
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absolutely
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so these are 20 year old cigars and to
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give you a quick background how'd you
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get him
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daniel nunez daniel nunez is
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a mentor of mine a close friend a close
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friend of my father
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he uh he was president for i mean if you
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if you know you know this is one of the
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if you know you know things
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and daniel nunez is one of the subjects
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if you know you know daniel nunes was
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not plug
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actually
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not bad
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was it president of general cigar for
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wow
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good part of the 90s
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i'm not sure of late 80s early 2000s i
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mean that that that was a guy
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responsible for
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the growth and the uh
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exponential rise of general cigar
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company and you know he took that
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company from
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from its foundation to
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to being the largest
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tobacco retailer retailing
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manufacturer in the united states in the
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90s i mean he rode the
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boom
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he rode the early 2000s even when the
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boom was down
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um macanudo was the number one selling
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star it still is
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believable unbelievably one of the top
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selling cigars in the united states and
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that's still real a
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residual effects from um from daniel
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nunez's work in the 90's and early
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2000's he's cheers
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he is definitely a tobacco man he's uh
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oh it's lovely
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grew up in the dominican republic went
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to school in uh
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texas
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um went to school for agriculture
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um well you know it was you know his
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daughter natalia nunez she went to
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school she went to school with me she
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was in my class
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you're what
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five six years ahead of me i'm not sure
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man something like that i think like
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three or four not that much like i think
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like maybe four or four years ahead of
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you four or five years ahead of you all
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right whatever point is
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um
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yeah i went windows went to school with
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his daughter and
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he's he stayed
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close friend he does a lot of work with
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with cuba um he's he's
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has a consulting company he still works
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he's bringing a new cigar back to the
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market potentially soon
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um definitely a a very knowledgeable guy
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has a
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outstanding just unbelievable collection
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and every time we hang out he brings a
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different
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you know opened up box of like cohibas
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from the 90s and stuff like that i mean
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i'll we'll put some b-roll i i did a
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little you had a couple he was back oh
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there's a bunch i mean i've got a bunch
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of i'm not a like i won't hype them up i
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have a bunch of old partagas cohibas
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robinas oyo monterreys i have everything
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man i have let me not have everything i
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have a lot remember last time
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i sat with here i sat with charlie from
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half wheel
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and uh the boveda crew and i brought out
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some a box that daniel nunes gave me one
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of the most coveted uh cohibas it was
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like a
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late 90s
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production and i pull it out
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and i pulled out one of the another box
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of cohibas i thought i was pulling that
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one out i put it out and i was like oh
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this is this year i was flaunting to and
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charlie turns it around he's like no
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it's not i'm like shoot
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i picked out the wrong box nonetheless
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it was a great cigar every i mean
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everybody's cigar performed luckily i
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mean that's against all odds
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but let's get to it that's enough with
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the bs let's smoke the cigar see what's
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up well i'm getting uh i'm not getting
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too much
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out of this one yet just a slight
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peppery touch
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uh
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and let's say
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a bit of a
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vegetable residue in mouth like like
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you eat uh
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lightly boiled broccoli how that coats
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your mouth that's that's what i'm
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getting so it's a veg
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a peppery vegetable flavor for now it's
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it's funny because
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i get sort of the same
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but i had a long time i didn't smoke
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cigar that when i i mean i retro pretty
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much every puff and sometimes i
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not supposed to say this on camera
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sometimes i take a little puff just to
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feel the
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the boldness of the nicotine in there
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but
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i feel like
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i feel kind of a
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peppery
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dominance in the back palette
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i really don't feel much yet in the
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front palette mid palette there's not a
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lot of density in the smoke but
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i had such a long time i don't remember
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when was the last time that i retro
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hailed back continuously back to back
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and i literally feel air coming out of
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my nose like it's just you don't feel
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smoke i feel nothing
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it's crazy you know i'm not too
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surprised because
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i've seen some research done on extra
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age cigars and the thing is that a lot
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of the oils have long gone that's that's
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that's a given man but i mean
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there's this may be a great topic for
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for zero harshness yeah no harshness at
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all and i think that that's the virtue
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of an h cigar uh ultimately it's you
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might not have the most mind-blowing
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smoke but you're definitely not gonna
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have an unpleasant one because most of
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the unpleasant trees have long gone as
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well yeah those are hot i mean
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unpleasantness comes from heightened
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negative
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um you know notes or nuances so if if
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something is toned down i love the
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background notes of the birds if
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something's toned down
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even if you're not
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you know inversely getting a positive
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um you know heightened flavor that you
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like you're also not going to get
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anything negative super exponentiated in
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your palette
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that's it's it's
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i think that's as much as we have to say
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right now
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uh as in
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it's an easy going smoke this one's kind
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of a little bit plugged but it's still
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an easy going smoke which is uh
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those two usually don't go in the same
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sentence uh but
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what's this one called again
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it's uh robina rovana yeah
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never heard of these cubans honestly
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i mean his son hirochi sells the brand
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in the us
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so that's a cool story behind that but
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we'll get to that later
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um
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yeah man so as i was saying like
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this is this isn't something i really
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hype up a lot i mean i mean these montes
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i think this is number two number two is
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like a rothschild or a lonsdale that
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might be a lounge deal they think this
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is a roth child
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the number twos are when you get really
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good cubans
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when you get really good number twos
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they're unbelievable um i'm not going to
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call this one really good it's just it's
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just lost a lot but going back to that
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topic
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i'll argue that you can definitely age a
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cigar 40 years and keep
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the
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oils
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um you know maintain
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a lot of the oils i've smoked a 40 year
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old cigar with a lot of power
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um i've smoked a 10 year old cigar with
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a lot of power and it's not suppo i mean
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i've smoked cigars that get pow like
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attain more power with age
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really yeah i mean let me just give you
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a quick
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bl let me give you a blunt it's how
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blend how the tobaccos blend inside how
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they age together
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so a a raw blend is not going to give
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you all the nuances and the profile you
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don't necessarily lose the oils you
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don't necessarily lose oil sometimes
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oils blend in together with time and
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with age
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they get stronger mysterious dagger
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original blend
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totally
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could be dominated by
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um williams pallet
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he claimed the blend got stronger with
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time
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i smoked
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of quite a few of those cigars from an
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old batch and from a new one and from a
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new one
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and i felt the older batch was stronger
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than new one so i guess uh
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well if anyone in in
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within our viewers has been down to
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santiago and caught a factory tour with
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me
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very slim chances of that but when i was
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at laura i would often tell people going
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by the aging room that some some of the
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magical things that happen in the aging
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room is that the oils sort of
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intermingle between leaves correct when
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you leave tobaccos to age together they
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absorb each other's characteristics and
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that and aging sometimes uh will give
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you
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will give you the balance that blend
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never had
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and uh
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i think that what's going on here is as
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those oils synergize
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the strongest survive
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and you get a concentration i absolutely
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agree
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and you have a concentrated amount of uh
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of the strong oils
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so it's not really that the cigar
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ultimately got stronger but you feel
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more of that strength yep i think that's
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what's going on there yeah i think it
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could be perception in the palette i
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mean how those
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flavors express themselves
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throughout that mingling
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i think that's a very
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valid
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posture i mean that could very well be
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but going back to
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smoking a
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extremely aged cuban cigar
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uh this is something that you read about
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a lot you see you see pictures you see
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you know people flaunting their old you
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know cuban collections and i think it's
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really cool that we're putting it out
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there and we're you know we're showing
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one side of the of the you know one side
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of the coin
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uh one side of the story one version
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which is
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they're good they're decent they're
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they're not a lot of flavors right now
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but we could have definitely gotten them
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i mean i pulled them out
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they were
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you know a lot of cubans don't are not
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don't use cellophane right so
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aging them and storing them is very
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complex these were given to me in a box
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really so i
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took them out put them in a ziploc put
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them over the pack wrote down the names
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i mean we'll see the b-roll that i've
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actually smoked a few that are not in
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the back there's like part i guess
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there's a sneaky tiger there's like some
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hoyos or whatever point is
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um say that again hoyos hoyos
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but these are uh
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these are i mean you can see them
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they're
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i don't know if you can notice they're
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very dry they feel dry in your hands
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dude cutting it yeah gotta be really
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really careful good thing i carry a
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sharp knife with me a cutter a
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guillotine cutter shredded it would
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shred it yeah for sure if you if you
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just had one of those uh generic
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guillotine cutters unless it's really
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really sharp you would have destroyed
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the cigar
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absolutely destroyed it just just
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man
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uh but
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going back to the flavors
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let's not talk about flavors and talk
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about aroma because i am picking up a
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lot of that now as soon as you just
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mentioned that i picked up a little bit
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of flavor yeah i'm getting a nutty aroma
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yep i'm getting nutty flavor
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i'm getting a nutty aroma and i'm
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getting kind of like that
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it's like a salted cracker like it's
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trying to say hey i'm salty um there's
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some earthy kind of thing going on here
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but doesn't really pronounce a lot and
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that's in the flavor the nuttiness i do
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i do sense it in in the nostrils
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you know i'm breathing in the smoke
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which you really shouldn't do but i'm
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breathing it just to get a little bit
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more out of this yeah who says you
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shouldn't
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well this is just a leaf rolled up bunch
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of leaves
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all right it's natural
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uh gasoline is natural too
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gasoline doesn't have a scent actually
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really yeah i thought it was propane
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it's an added it's a it's added to the
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gasoline so there's
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so you know when there's a spill and
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there's heightened awareness when
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there's a spill and it doesn't have
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color doesn't have a spell it's pretty
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neutral well who who would have thought
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because i definitely would have thought
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that the fact would be coming from me i
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thought it'd be coming from you but
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really i i turned tables i thought that
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was uh propane i know for a fact that
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propane because dominican propane has
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way less of it uh going to the states
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and oh i was talking about gasoline yeah
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i'm talking about the uh
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additive right okay so i didn't know
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gasoline had that too
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yeah
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i didn't know that like it's it's news
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to me fact check me
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so
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that's a fun fact
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that is a fun fact so theoretically you
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could light a cigar with gasoline pure
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gasoline
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and not have it matter too much
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pure gasoline without you said it
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totally yeah you set a tone on this i
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mean it's also super volatile i mean
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it's the volatility control the flame
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thank you sir
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kill that bottle now yeah it's time for
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the bottle
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that is a question i'm afraid to answer
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in uh live television
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well uh we're just asking the question
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really uh
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my thoughts
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in general are
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contaminating the cigar matters but
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contaminating your palate matters more
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absolutely
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so
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i mean you could be all all snobby and
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uh light your cigars with cedar spills
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but let's say you had a cheesecake
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before you smoked your stick bottle kill
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kill let's have a you what let's say you
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have a cheesecake before you smoke your
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stick
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you've got a contaminated palette it
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doesn't matter what you light it with
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but
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you're gonna have
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all that sugar all those uh milky
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flavors and etc yep in your palate
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already so great
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and cheesecake's pretty good it's
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fantastic
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now general james mattis once said
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always carry a knife just in case
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there's cheesecake
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beautiful he said he added something
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else to that
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uh but i'm not i don't need to say it
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what matters is the cheesecake
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i am
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i'm trying to pace myself i feel there's
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feel it's getting a little hot um
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there's
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it's trash it looks from like if you see
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from the side it feel like there's
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little paralysis going on so it means
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it's actually decently rolled but did
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you see a gap right here do you see it
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yep so that's making it heat up quite
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fast and it goes pretty deep so
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i'm trying to pace myself i never want
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to
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so i look at the ash and i always want
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to see it white black i mean i don't
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want to see any fire i don't want to see
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any red right so i let it cool down
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so i was getting a little bit of a harsh
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flavor for a second there
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um
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but that that you know you can manage
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that
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this one isn't performing too too great
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but it's not bad either uh it's not
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burning evenly
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inside um so what i'm you can even see
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the wrapper is getting black
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but what i'm seeing here is i'm not sure
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charizard
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charring it uh well
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that wrapper is definitely uh
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charring itself
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but what i'm getting is
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i'm not sure if it's a construction
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issue or just a consequence of the aging
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because i haven't smoked that many 20
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year old sticks feel it
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like roll it up and your
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your fingers i'm gonna crack it dude no
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just don't no pressure you can feel the
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density of the cigar based on the size
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it's what we talked about today yep this
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one's crushed though i can feel it but
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this one's crushed you can feel that the
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filler is packed sort of like an
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accidental box price unless this was
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supposed to be a box can i can i hold it
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for a second sure go for it it's not
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crushed like broken but it's a little
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square yeah it's a lot more dense than
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mine is really yeah but i'm i'm applying
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a lot of pressure right now and i don't
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hear any cracks
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i just does it like it's like because i
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went too low i went too close to the
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heat
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what went to so close to the to the sun
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that burned
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even calcium
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no
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even calcium no it was uh you didn't get
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that that's a dominican inside joke
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exactly
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now though it's funny
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uh
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who who was it that went got too close
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to sun and burn um
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icarus icarus yeah accuracy with his uh
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with his dad's wings yeah with the wings
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yeah absolutely uh
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based in space so i was thinking of an
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actual
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astronaut
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man of whom i had no idea it turns out i
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knew all along it was
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uh well
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so what about the pairing what do you
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what do you feel
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i mean i i think this is it's pretty
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good i mean i think that the drink is
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outclassing the stick
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i think so i
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i agree
20:48
you don't want to agree what you do
20:50
here's the take to take a puff yeah
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do a little retro
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take a sip
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when you when you take the sip close
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your mouth no no take it take a take a
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gulp
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close your mouth breathe through your
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nose take five breaths
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i feel it's
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it's so dull without the the liquor that
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the liquors actually enhancing it
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did you pick up any flavors
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i'm just getting the liquid you're all
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pensive and then you're like
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i'm just getting the liquor no i got i
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got a i got a little bit of like raisin
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there
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and i know this is this is not raisiny
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it's not giving you it's crepey it's
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grapey yeah it's creepy yeah it's
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literally grapey so it's cognac it's
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kind of
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yeah quite literally i played myself a
21:46
little bit there don't ever play
21:47
yourself mission man but
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i really feel like i have to touch this
21:52
one up because it's it's going to turn
21:54
into a shovel if i don't going back to
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this i mean if you have a chance to get
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your hands on
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super age cuban cigars
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if you ever do because that's such a
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normal thing to find like no i mean
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it is it is
22:10
there is there is certain normality i
22:12
mean you there's a there's a
22:14
there's something i want to make clear
22:16
here
22:17
i have nothing against cuban cigars
22:20
i think that's pretty good i think
22:22
once you find a good cigar
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it's usually pretty good only problem is
22:27
the consistency i mean
22:29
no argument there 15 out of 20
22:32
cigars in a box you're going to be
22:33
plugged or they're going to be
22:36
under filled they're going to be
22:38
just basically underperforming right so
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why
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because of the lack of
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quality control the lack of product
22:47
quality in cuba because of the
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government's
22:51
wow we're getting the politics this is
22:52
dangerous well let's just leave it at
22:54
and we're
22:55
we got two minutes to wrap it up all
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right we got two minutes i think we can
22:58
leave it at their industry isn't quite
23:00
as developed
23:02
as their industry was that was the
23:05
originator of cigar industry as we know
23:07
it today but it went to stopped because
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of the government right i agree and
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you know even though they have a lot of
23:15
resources within the cigar industry it's
23:18
standardized i mean i've
23:20
heard from reputable
23:22
um individuals that there is
23:26
there's companies that blend
23:29
cigars and literally classify them by
23:32
classify them by color and that's how
23:33
they they slap on brands
23:36
based on
23:38
color sorting but that's a that's a
23:40
story for another day i mean i think we
23:42
have to leave it for another day we have
23:43
to leave for another day right now
23:45
um you know we're having a nice drink
23:48
we're outside it was too hot to record
23:50
inside
23:51
episode number four it's a wrap
23:54
mac you want to shoot some last words
23:56
regarding this uh fantastic cigar yeah
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my last words are going to be a bit of a
24:00
self proposal
24:01
how about we teach people how to find
24:04
cubans when they visit the dr so they
24:05
don't get ripped off at the beach and
24:07
teach ourselves as well
24:09
so uh we'll look into that and get
24:11
something ready for the folks at home
24:13
let's do it peace guys
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thank you everybody for watching um
24:17
it's time to go we're gonna wrap it up
24:19
it's been a decent experience let's
24:21
let's call it that i mean it's a good
24:22
time have a good chat here
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