Join Alex and Mac as they puff through a couple of Casa Magna Liga Fs and chat about the snobbery that makes the industry what it is. Often cigars are split into thirds to allow for three times the snobbery as well as rated on a 100-point scale. We don't know who really started it all but we're certain that it's not all bad; except for killing great cigars that happen to be ugly before they even get the chance to impress.
Join Alex and Mac as they puff through a couple of Casa Magna Liga Fs and chat about the snobbery that makes the industry what it is. Often cigars are split into thirds to allow for three times the snobbery as well as rated on a 100-point scale. We don't know who really started it all but we're certain that it's not all bad; except for killing great cigars that happen to be ugly before they even get the chance to impress.
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welcome back to the my cigar pack
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podcast and it's time for episode two
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we're smoking some freshly released
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quesadas as we go over who invented the
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whole smoking by thirds concept and talk
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about whether top 25 lists mean anything
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alex is in country so uh we're together
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for this one enjoy
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it's time to smoke baby it's time to
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smoke son
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i mean
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son son
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episode number two it's vibe
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um i just got back
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for a little bit just briefly
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to the dominican republic lovely dr
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happy to be home
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oh no you're using your tobacco fingers
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yeah yeah we're using the nails man
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that's how we do it you know
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well
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do you ever get used to the nails or no
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i learned how to do it but uh
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i just
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designed my day around using a knife so
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how does that work how do you design
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your day around using it so
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it just means that i think about my day
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saying okay what opportunities to use a
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knife do i have
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so if i get to open a box from amazon
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i wait until i can use a knife to open
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it you know that's funny because i'm the
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same exact way with cigars i'm like
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i i take every single chance i possibly
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can to smoke a cigar
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well
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i mean that's implicit in it
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but
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do you know which the best cigar for
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that moment is
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the one closest to your hand man oh the
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best cigar is the one you have on you
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exactly well then
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what makes you pick that cigar then
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before you have it on you well it's i
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think it's it's more in the subconscious
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you know it's the operating
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self
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inner mastermind that you have kind of
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like devising when and where you can
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potentially grab that cigar just like
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you're you're like oh i ordered
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something from ammo you don't really
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think oh i ordered something from amazon
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you just have your knife right next to
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where you usually place your box when
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amazon comes in
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we have to go pick it up here so it's a
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whole drive home
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i don't even verify
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if i got what i asked for for insurance
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i just
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deal with it
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wait home if there was a problem it
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hasn't been there yet
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there's a problem
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uh no insurance for me baby
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no one shawls
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dude bottle kill i love it um
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makers all right small batch what are we
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drinking we're drinking some kentucky
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straight bourbon from uh
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victors
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not kentucky though
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why not kentucky where is it where is
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mrs victor is uh kentucky yeah for sure
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okay
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um i don't know yeah it's it's you know
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it's it's it's grown very popular
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among the or the bourbon connoisseurs
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i think it's a great
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whiskey
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okay bourbon this is a dense stick it's
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taking quite a minute to light yeah you
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can tell it's packed yep it is
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how many grams do you think does this
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bad boy have six and a half
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you measure you you weigh in ounces
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we do grounds
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i don't know sex obliged right
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um
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spicy from the start
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coats my palate what are you smoking i
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want do you have do you remember oh this
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is new
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casa magna
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this is um it was actually released
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by quesada um and a summer and uh that
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was like two days ago
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so it was officially announced pc i'm
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not sure i think they brought samples to
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bca
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um
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let me actually give her a few puffs
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cheers
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cheers mate interrupt you bottle cap
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oh beautiful ah
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beautiful just
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oak
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cherries
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just a little bit of that like baking
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spice i got the cherries you got the
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cherries oh i got the sweet slap in your
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face i got oh i got the
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first thing that came to my mind
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cherries but i'm not going to say it
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that will sound embarrassing no no it's
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a classic i mean and it's i'm not even
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sure there's any
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um
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finish for this
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particular batch that would
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explicitly make it taste like okay so
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it's white oak barrels
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signature filtration
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yeah nothing special with this
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particular one so
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well whatever
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this cigar going back to cigar it's good
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it's phenomenal um and it's you know
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what's not that hot i love it
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it's not that i think it's like a one
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what proof this is it's like a
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yeah obviously i have to be low it's a
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94 92
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91.4 super low so we're getting a lot of
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the malt here yeah no i mean this is
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like super
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super smooth um this is why you know in
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this it's kind of hot here man this is
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last week pre-halloween week um dr is
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pretty pretty hot right now just flew in
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today and i'm feeling the heat man
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i don't know what you're talking about
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i'm used to it
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the truth is uh halloween's kind of new
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here yeah so
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my neighborhood for the first time ever
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is all decorated with the little
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pumpkins uh the kids are ready to go
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door-to-door go doing triggy because
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obviously have dominicans saying
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trick-or-treat forget treat
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that's how that works yeah and uh oh but
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it's fun it's actually kind of funny
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i've never seen i i didn't get to
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experience cultural appropriation i did
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not well i'll appropriate her all day
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that sounds like a lot of fun it is like
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halloween parties look like fun yeah go
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back to the cigar yeah
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it's one of their boldest smokes um
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smoked it for the first time
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last time i was here the week before pca
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sat down with with the casala crew and
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they're like hey try this i'm like this
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is this has got to be like
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the vega magna's older brother and it
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definitely is it's got that unique
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corojo
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wrapper um
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it's got it's ecuadorian sun-grown coral
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wrapper
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just a beautiful sheen
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um
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you know lower priming
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i
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i don't want to guess what
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level
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it's slow it's slow it's gotta be like
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what like a six
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no wait wrappers uh is inverted so right
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this would be probably
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it's a low yeah it's it's definitely low
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it's definitely it looks thin but it
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looks silky it's got like a just like a
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mild sheen to it
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uh beautiful wrapper it doesn't have
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like that strong corojo reddish hue but
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it's kind of like it's just there you
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know it kind of like
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contrasts with the little you know red
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strip in the in the back here it kind of
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like compliments it but at the same time
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it's not like contrasting it's it's not
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very red
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no i i didn't
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figure it was kodoho when you handed it
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to me i was like wait
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i was i thought it was something else
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entirely you saw in the cellar
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you saw it in cellophane yeah i did
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there's a notable noticeable difference
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when you take off the cello you see that
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kind of like hue in that sheen you see
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it from the side
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you're like there's something there just
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not red yep and and
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it's such a thin leaf it really helps
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the roller get that construction just
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right it's basically seamless yeah you
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don't feel that seam at all
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and uh
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although they did a fantastic job
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rolling this one minimal veins
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not that that matters too much but it
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certainly is aesthetically pleasing and
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a nice even pack
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i'm really enjoying
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how well done this cigar is yeah
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yeah just beautiful construction i mean
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you really have to get in there with
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that with that with that heat initially
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but once you get that airflow going
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it just is just performing beautifully i
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think all cigars should be constructed
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beautifully and if
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you know there's touch-ups or whatever
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that's a given
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you know you can fix that and make sure
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the cigar drives properly
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shifted a third and you know go from
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there but just going back to the blend
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this uh
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is not purely dominic game it's made in
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dominican republic by
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um
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by the saddle family and they've fused
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some tobacco leaves with with
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other dominicans and
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wrapped it over with this beautiful
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habano
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seed
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some grown again
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everything i think it's more of like
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a trend
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than than anything to to to to just
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ride you know go right into the spice of
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sun grown rappers it's just like it's
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just so out there it starts with a spice
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yeah and uh
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i got a little bit of a cap still
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i still have to go deeper into the first
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third to really tell you what i'm
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getting
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i started to too early with the bourbon
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yeah
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let me ask you a question
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do you think there's too strong over
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colloquialism in the review segment of
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cigar is that you are
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already driven into
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or or predisposed to judge the cigar by
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a third like who invented that
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like how established cigar should be
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changing by thirds or evaluated by
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thirds
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i have i've had this conversation
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probably like 25 times last two months i
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think i've got a pretty good answer and
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i appreciate the third division uh
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because when it comes to seminars it
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really helps people concentrate on a
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certain part of the smoke and
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let's give it to them some blends are
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designed
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uh
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well most blends actually are designed
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to evolve as you go down the thirds
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the tips of the leaves vary in different
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parts so you might have
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two filler leaf tips at the in the first
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third and then your strong leaf right in
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the center and the tip is the strongest
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part so that's that's where you have the
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most control so if you grab the cigar
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and put it
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horizontally right and you analyze its
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anatomy
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i'm gonna go deeper we're gonna have to
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cut it open analyze no but analyze the
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anatomy and just go back to what you
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just said
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based on the placement of the leaves and
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the possible separation there's probably
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like two main anchor points of the whole
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cigar so why not just divide it in half
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well that doesn't get enough clicks at
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the seminars and i did not
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think about it this way uh master
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blender's at the seminar and he's
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guiding people through the state quote
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unquote nice right
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a master blender right oh master blender
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there's too many of them
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it's true
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uh a blender right or a leader at the
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seminar he's gonna have to guide the
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people through different parts of the
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cigar and if we just do haves well
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that's 40 minutes between discussions
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and uh i think the whole thirds part
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comes from the point of view of let's
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talk about this stick
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when are we going to do it
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and uh i think that's it it's it's it's
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pretty trivial but it really is that
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simple it helps us trivial that's a
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great word i think that's what it is
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yeah um okay that's a good answer that's
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that's fair enough i think this is one
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of the subjects that we're going to dive
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deeper
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um in the near future i think maybe we
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could run with it i guess yeah and shift
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on to
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like ratings for another one because i i
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think we want to talk about that but hey
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let's keep talking about this cigar and
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let's keep talking about why you know
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this
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the industry or the segment that
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um
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so intellectually
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performs a
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an analysis of a
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rolled up bunch of leaves
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it is just rolled up bunch of leaves
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now that you mentioned analysis and the
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industry and
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the quirks in it
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let's point out something very obvious
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we talked about the thirds
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and how they matter
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when we're talking about the cigar
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but
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let's say aficionado they don't really
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talk about the first second and third
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part of the cigar
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they just go straight to the overall if
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they have they've done so just ever so
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mild yeah so well halfway
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oh yeah uh i think half wheel
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undisputed is the most thorough review
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you can get on to go
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yeah uh when i was working at laura
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except for that guy on instagram that
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like draws the different parts of
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flavors that he gets he starts strong
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cigar just like places the cigar as he
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smokes it right next to the drawing he's
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like he literally decomposes the cigar
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with a drawing based on what he believes
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his palette is telling him that he's
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perceiving inside so he's like so the
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center of the cigar is kind of giving me
13:59
like a molasses feel so he like draws
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the center and says like there's a part
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of a leaf there that's like
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you know yielding molasses flavors or
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i've not seen that it's very interesting
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and it's
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quite controversial some will look at it
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as funny and we'll make fun of it others
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will be like oh this guy's a genius
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truth is somewhere in the middle usually
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the guy's going off his intuition
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obviously he probably isn't
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if he's making it up
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or if he's telling the truth it doesn't
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matter he's doing it intuitively and how
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people perceive it is what matters i i
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think that's
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a great point of view especially since
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this this is
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this is something that's not affecting
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anybody um but i relate that to like
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a cult
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there's there's there's beneficial
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there's positive cult but there's
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very negative ones and then there's
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people that you know you either
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come or completely against them or
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there's no in between there's there's
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you're either
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you know blindly believe in it or you
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are completely against it right
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i think
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that falls into the category of fandoms
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of cigars too so some people religiously
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smoke a specific cigar
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and when people do something religiously
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that's when you start talking about a
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cult so this guy smokes his cigars
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religiously in the sense that he's uh
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oh he's doing that illustration thing i
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haven't seen it so i can't really speak
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much about it
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it'll be interesting it's interesting
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but
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it it really is and again i'm not saying
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anything negative about him just
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pointing it out
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i don't think we are
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but i do think it's an intuition thing
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like
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uh obviously objective intuition like
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you're looking for something but you're
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doing so intuitively and i think
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everyone does that when they smoke their
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cigars let's say aficionado
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when they rank their top ten
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uh so we're getting into it we're
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getting it let's do it when they rank
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their time too late all right when they
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rank their top ten okay
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let's say
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four through nine they're further i know
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your point go further yeah both of them
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let's go one through fifteen what let's
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say one through fifteen they could be at
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a margin of one point according to their
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score between the fifteen and the two
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let's say between all twenty five okay
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they really could usually not
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usually not based on 25 but there's the
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based on you know playing there's
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usually a lot that are as you pointed
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out earlier well one magazine's number
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18 is another's number one yeah
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and i know that i mean at least there's
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consistency there for the cigar
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so
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what i'm trying to point to is
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people
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can recognize what a good cigar is yeah
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but the best cigar these conversations
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have been had a million times but the
16:47
best cigar really is up to the
16:49
individual what the best cigar is for
16:51
you
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i honestly think that
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when it comes to these magazines when
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they rate the number one cigar
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objectively they've done the best they
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can
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but now they've got to pick what they
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want what they like most as a consensus
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so
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if
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eight through or
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three through eight are a tie
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how do you find what's three and what's
17:16
saying well you talk about it and uh
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basically have this conversation we're
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having to figure out what to switch
17:22
uh do you think aesthetics
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oh yeah for sure for sure uh when i was
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in quality control at aurora i would
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just disqualify cigars that tasted great
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because they were ugly
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not like
17:36
that's obvious i was just having a
17:38
conversation earlier with my dad and
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um he was holding his hands
17:43
an old cigar it's
17:45
11 12 years old right
17:47
and he's like uh what's a cigar again
17:49
it's an unbanded cigar and i tell him
17:51
it's a
17:53
it's wrapped in a pennsylvania broadleaf
17:56
wrapper
17:57
if you know pennsylvania broadleaf seed
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it's very thick
18:01
sometimes it produces very
18:04
you know very opulent looking veins
18:07
it's it's it's not i don't believe it's
18:10
i mean maybe for the
18:12
really
18:13
obsessive guy with or
18:15
gal with maduro rappers
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finds it amusing but i think it's a very
18:20
um odd looking
18:22
um kind of aesthetic for a cigar it's
18:24
it's it's got like this
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um you know it's got this aggressive
18:28
look it it looks oily sometimes when it
18:31
even is easy isn't that oily um yeah
18:34
it's got that weird look right
18:36
especially
18:37
you know like with thyme it'll dry up
18:40
and it won't look as as as shiny and
18:43
oily as as as it as it is when it's it's
18:46
a four or five year old wrapper
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does it look
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it doesn't look
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i in my opinion i don't believe it looks
18:54
attractive it doesn't look pleasing i'm
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not
18:57
you know i'm not inclined to take that
19:00
cigar up and i told them that particular
19:02
cigar for example i've had it and it's
19:05
phenomenal
19:07
just beautiful you know just a beautiful
19:09
performing cigar and it doesn't
19:12
taste
19:14
like it looks
19:16
so
19:17
it's a it's a it's a wrong thing to do
19:20
but at the same time you got the same
19:22
exact cigar
19:24
three years old instead of 11 you've got
19:26
a younger wrapper you've got it more it
19:29
looks more vivid
19:31
looks more
19:32
enticing you're probably gonna incline
19:35
you're probably gonna be inclined for
19:36
that younger one and i'm not talking
19:38
about age year this is not about age
19:39
comparison i'm talking about age related
19:41
to that particular round well
19:43
let's say you know what you're looking
19:44
for yeah that changes
19:47
yeah but in this case you don't know
19:48
what you're looking for because you're
19:49
looking for a ranking
19:52
i i'm looking for an answer that nobody
19:54
knows a question to the rankings are
19:56
such a
19:58
they'll obviously filter what a good
20:01
these are all great stars if they're in
20:02
the top 25 they're great cigars but
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sorry someone will find them to be great
20:09
cigars if they're in the top 25 let's
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say
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if you smoke all 25 you're going to find
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one you're going to love correct or
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correct that's that's what i'm trying to
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get to uh but ultimately
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ultimately i think that if you know what
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you're looking for because you've smoked
20:28
a lot of sticks and you've you've tried
20:31
if you've had the privilege of trying
20:33
pure grade consistently
20:36
this just
20:37
gives you another level of knowing what
20:39
to look for because
20:41
you look at what's in the blend because
20:44
you know that you like
20:45
that specific leaf and obviously
20:47
manufacturers keep a lot of their blends
20:49
under wraps
20:50
but
20:51
i'd say i really like
20:55
this
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ecuadorian corojo
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i'll look for it again i really like
21:00
this stick it's a little strong for my
21:02
taste but if they make another cigar
21:04
with this same wrapper i'm gonna go for
21:06
it i think i'm gonna like it so it's
21:08
sort of like plug and play
21:10
yeah and uh figure out what what uh feel
21:13
your way through
21:14
what you really like and you like
21:16
sneakers loafers like sneakers you're
21:18
gonna try different sneakers but it's
21:19
probably gonna be within the sneaker
21:20
line and i think that's one of the
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virtues of the uh subscription packages
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that we offer
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basically you get to try a lot of cigars
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a lot of cigars and and
21:32
and maybe yeah build that pitch a lot
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it's but it's true it is yeah it's true
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yeah yeah you you and if we develop
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anything in particular with with a brand
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new manufacturer in this partnership
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that's
21:45
that's done with intentionality it's not
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just like slapping
21:49
not taking any shots but it's not
21:50
slapping a band saying it's our
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proprietary blend or whatever it's not
21:54
just like hey i'm in a contract
21:56
manufacturer you get it's got these five
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thousand ten thousand a hundred thousand
21:59
sticks whatever the number is
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just to get the exclusivity on it it's
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gotta it's gotta have the intentionality
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behind the brand's established you know
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pattern of of operating and for the
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marketing and branding and getting that
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and
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when i say
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operating and marketing and branding i i
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mean you know what represents the
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brand's identity as a product that has a
22:24
need so you know if it's lfd it's going
22:26
to be
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this
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range this wide array of offerings but
22:31
they're likely to be more stronger than
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others
22:35
if you're talking about say
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um
22:38
let's just throw in a controversial one
22:40
that i that i'm a big fan of right so
22:42
roma craft aromacraft is going to throw
22:44
these very
22:46
uh exotic blends you know you're gonna
22:48
get these vodkas with brazilian uh
22:50
dominating tobaccos and you're gonna
22:52
have others so everyone has a particular
22:54
lineage just what i'm trying to say so
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any manufacturer that has a factory can
22:58
get over here and be like hey dude i got
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these for you but
23:04
what we should keep pushing for is the
23:07
intentionality behind what drives them
23:09
and what's going to enhance
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our offering you know to the people and
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i think everybody should do the same
23:16
to close would you argue that what time
23:19
are we
23:20
what's your mark
23:21
we're like right where we should okay
23:24
to close okay because because this is a
23:26
closing point
23:28
would you say that
23:30
marketing for cigars is all about
23:33
presenting the personality of the cigar
23:36
so that people can connect with it
23:39
i think in in in in
23:41
in a very big macro perspective it is
23:44
but then there's the nuances and the and
23:46
the and the depth behind
23:49
each and every particular product that
23:51
connects with within that brand's
23:54
ecosystem so there could be
23:58
controversy there could be
24:00
complimenting strategies there would be
24:02
a lot of different
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you know
24:06
smaller
24:07
um intentions behind that but in the
24:09
bigger picture yeah i do agree with that
24:10
i absolutely agree with that
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well i think uh are you on the same page
24:16
i think so that was that rhetorical
24:17
implicit it was i just want to hear your
24:20
thoughts on it really uh i i believe
24:22
that that
24:24
when a cigar is conceived let's say a
24:27
master blender puts together a blend
24:28
blender or let's say a blender right a
24:31
blender puts together a blend and the
24:33
company agrees we're gonna make this a
24:35
product correct it's the marketing
24:38
team's job to say okay how do i project
24:41
the personality
24:43
into in an intentional way so that
24:45
consumers can resonate with it so long
24:47
live absolutely long live the king by by
24:50
pablo yeah i love that stick yep
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and that's because
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i connected with it
24:56
it was like this guy's young and he's in
24:59
a position that is too big for him you
25:01
see the crown
25:02
on him yeah and the cigar just basically
25:05
says
25:06
bold character is what you need to
25:08
survive here
25:09
wow that's deep and that's pretty
25:11
accurate yeah
25:12
and and the cigar says it
25:15
we're gonna have this conversation with
25:16
robert on
25:18
tuesday awesome so get ready he's here
25:21
yeah he's uh he flies in over the
25:23
weekend so we're gonna meet up with him
25:24
either monday or tuesday awesome we're
25:26
gonna talk to him about that i'm just
25:27
gonna really like put in your brain now
25:29
i'm excited
25:31
that's a wrap for the episode guys uh
25:34
we're we're right where our time budget
25:36
allows us to be so we'll catch you on
25:38
the next one but it's a pleasure having
25:39
you guys on board any final thoughts out
25:41
i left it i left my camera bag uh in
25:44
miami because uh i had to bring a little
25:46
bit of baggage so we're gonna be
25:48
shooting with this new phone i got here
25:50
and uh max camera so um you know we'll
25:54
do with this we'll probably shoot more
25:55
stuff tomorrow and thank everybody for
25:57
tuning in and bring out you know cue the
25:59
outro
26:00
peace
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